Forcing players to pay to keep housing is unfair.

[Chevronone]

Everyone whining about housing will become silent on the issue when/if they finally aquire one. It's only such a desperate issue for them becuase they are without. Once they get it, they could all careless.

[Valkyrie_Lenneth]

Everyone whining about housing will become silent on the issue when/if they finally aquire one. It's only such a desperate issue for them becuase they are without. Once they get it, they could all careless.

You mean they couldn't care less?

[Valkyrie_Lenneth]

Wow you can pull up an FAQ/ToS! You're just so great. And in all this, it still not the point of the matter so congratulations on your pointless whiteknighting my friend.

Why do you have to bring Paladins into this? What did they do to you.

[Stitches1974]

Why do you have to bring Paladins into this? What did they do to you.

Okay. That made me laugh.

[Cylla]

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That is in fact what I'm saying. Because the reality of this is: SE should've done this right the first time around or setup a better system for housing. Tell me something y'all- do you know any game today, that has housing that has such apply to it? I could list a few off top of my head that have done it right and if someone quit they still come back to having their house/apartment, etc. My point, and I've said this earlier when the topic started but I guess people weren't reading and just decide to make it sound like the only people I'm sticking up for are those who already have a house. Which is not the case. And while I know I shouldn't point this out, I'm going to anyway~ Servers like Balmung people sell houses for double what they are worth. A small house can range anywhere from 30mil to 70mil, and we all know, people are going to pay that. Be it your opinion of, "Well their dumb enough to buy it at that price." that their choice sadly and people want a house that much. If they take a break, come back, house is gone, they only get back half that price of the plot, not the crazy price they paid.

I know most you people aren't going to care or say, "Their fault." but let all just agree on one thing, if SE had done this right the first time or fixed it by now, there wouldn't be all this fuss and stupid crap over housing. I respect both sides of the opinions here but what it all comes down to is this is SE fault and they should be fixing it or doing it right.

[ToasterMan]

Everyone whining about housing will become silent on the issue when/if they finally aquire one. It's only such a desperate issue for them becuase they are without. Once they get it, they could all careless.

Nope. I used to own a house on Faerie and even then I was still pretty vocal about how awful the housing situation was. (And still is)

[Rymm]

Everyone whining about housing will become silent on the issue when/if they finally aquire one. It's only such a desperate issue for them becuase they are without. Once they get it, they could all careless.

You've made this claim already before, and I already pointed out earlier in this thread that it is objectively false. I am a homeowner and I approve of the demo timer.

I've even lost a home in the past to it. If anyone has a right to complain, it is people like me who bought a house back when they said that housing was permanent, only having it taken away later after the timer was added and yet you don't see me throwing a tantrum on the forums. Why? Because I have accepted that a) it's just pixels and no matter how long I play or how much time/effort I invest in this game, eventually everything will one day 'poof' like it never existed and b) I don't own anything, this entire game and all it's trimmings are SE's and I just pay them for the privilege of being able to play with their toys that they ultimately get the last say over. It is just the reality of the game we play, if you want to buy a house, you have to accept the limitations that come with it, or put your gil into something else. No one is lying to you or keeping the demo timer a secret, you accept that when you purchase the house.

Until SE gets their act together and actually fixes the hot mess that is housing so that everyone can have a house, I will continue to support the demo timer. If you want to rage at something, at least try to be productive. Put pressure on SE to overhaul the entire system, don't just whine and moan about the symptoms of the housing crisis.

[Paladinleeds]

SE needs to overhaul the system, until then the demolition timer has to stay. If anything I think the timer should be tightened to 24 hours. This will ensure that people either login every day to keep their house, or they lose it. This way any house in use is being used (or at least entered) every single day. At least until SE sort this mess out. I don't have a house and frankly don't want a house. If apartments become the same way as houses, then I would agree with apartments getting the same 24 hour countdown timer (but apparently Square Enix have said it's ridiculously easy to add in new apartments so this shouldn't become an issue). Hopefully in the Stormblood area though since this will be a new housing area, they get it right that time. Want a house in Mist/LavBeds/Goblet, play by the old rules. Want a house in the new area? Make it instanced for each individual player/FC so then you don't need ridiculous demolition timers for that area. And if they ever get round to fixing the original 3 areas, then take the timer off those too.

And yes if the apartment thing did come to pass with the same timer I would lose my apartment. Big deal, I put on my pants and MOVE ON. With the current system they have for houses they can't win. So if they make a new system for the new area that is instanced from the get go so anyone who wants one can get one, I feel that would go a long way to calming the issue at hand.

[Cylla]

Until SE gets their act together and actually fixes the hot mess that is housing so that everyone can have a house, I will continue to support the demo timer. If you want to rage at something, at least try to be productive. Put pressure on SE to overhaul the entire system, don't just whine and moan about the symptoms of the housing crisis.

This right here ^ Everyone sits here attacking each other over opinions or think their being funny by pulling up ToS and missing the whole point. While I know the OP wasn't making any point other then being upset about the timer, some people did make good points before of course the topic turned into the whole GAME/REAL LIFE bs that it is now. If we want to rage, it should be at SE, not each other or about the timer. There is yes the problem of SE not looking at threads or people feeling like they aren't being heard but we do know they look at topics. This one does nothing to help or pressure SE into an overhaul or fix, it just a bunch of people going off on each other because they don't like someone else opinion and would rather look at the small picture rather then the larger one at hand.

[Maero]

Except this is a game and we pay a sub, that should cover taxes...
Just because housing was poorly implemented (instanced would have been better) the solution is not what they have come up with