Forcing players to pay to keep housing is unfair.

[Nyerieri]

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Hmm.. I wonder what is wrong with your thinking then. You are comparing pixels to real life storage. I'm going to say it like this; (besides the fact you are comparing apples to oranges)

No, not everyone is entitled to everything in the game. Also, despite popular belief, no one is a special snowflake in this game. That is where most of the defense for the "We need to extend the 45 day timer or remove the auto demo because its unfair!". Fun fact: Nothing in life is 100% fair. Too bad we don't live in a perfect world huh?

Also; Don't use the defense of they sunk so much gil into the house. Cmon, if you didn't know housing was a gil sink, you didn't do your homework. Sure, they are fun to decorate, but I expect no return out of them.

It ultimately boils down to this, if you can't log in ONCE every 44 days to keep your house, you have bigger issues going on that you need to address. Maybe quit the game? Let it get auto demolished and get some of your gil back? Lots of options.

Maybe if I say this enough it'll catch on; SE is being way too generous with the current 45 day timer. I would be happy with it, because you know, you could end up with, lets say, a 30-35 day auto demo, or what the other person suggested, a way to decrease the remaining time on your house via gil or some token. Be careful what you ask for.

[Tint]

That my point of the pop up to shove it in their face and if they don't like it or think it too short they have to option to decide not buy the plot.

you mean they should instead buy a plot without the 45 days auto demolition?

[Dualgunner]

Hmm.. I wonder what is wrong with your thinking then. You are comparing pixels to real life storage. I'm going to say it like this; (besides the fact you are comparing apples to oranges).

My thinking was as follows:

Question: "What if this was RL? Would it still be fair?"
Me: *provides example of it being RL and still being fair*

I also don't go around telling people what they do and don't deserve based on how they use the things they invested in being different from how I use them.

[NaesakiAshwell]

Its sad to think that this whole situation and problem could be a moot point if SE ever gets around to sorting out the housing situation so that everyone is capable of owning a house.

[Dualgunner]

Another (temporary) solution would be to allow players to just sell the plots back on their own when they are done and know they'll be done. Not to other players, since that can be taken advantage of, but a straight self selling of the property.

[HyoMinPark]

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The discussion has sort of devolved and deviated from the opening post, but the person who started this thread stated clearly that they wanted to take a break from playing FFXIV and NOT have an active subscription, but they also felt that they had the right to their housing even though they were no longer going to even be an active subscriber for however long they wanted to unsub. They also started bringing up extreme situations trying to justify their point, such as "I could be in the hospital dying, why is it fair that my house gets demolished?"

Other posters came here to say that as long as they are paying a sub, they should get to keep their housing, whether they are using it or not, and whether they enter the estate or not. Which made myself and others question: "why own something if you aren't going to be bothered to take 60 seconds of your playtime to even just walk through the door? Why not invest in an apartment that requires little to no maintenance, instead of saying you should get to keep your mostly unused plot/what you want because you pay a game sub. So does everyone else."

That in turn changed this discussion into the "people who aren't using their plots are going to lose them, and those who would actually use them should have the opportunity to do so" discussion that we are having now.

The fact that housing is so limited is not a fault of any group of players presented in this thread, from those that actively use a house to those that barely even touch it. That is entirely a fault of SE, and yes, they should do something to rectify it (be in instanced housing or more wards or whatever). But the fact is that housing is limited, and it is competitive, and if a person isn't going to actively use a resource that is so limited, why hold it for them when there are other potential plot owners that would actively use it?

Sorry if my post sounded snippy or rude. I wasn't trying to be. Just this thread is so full of (I hate to say it, but) entitlement, and people wanting SE to give them special snowflake treatment, that it's mildly aggravating. I stand by what I said in my first post on this topic: if something happens that is so bad that you cannot log into a game for an extended period of time (illness, financial problems, natural disaster, work/military deployment/other life responsibilities), and you care so much about a virtual house, you need to sit down and straighten your priorities out. And I stand by if you aren't going to be bothered to even ENTER your estate JUST ONCE for 60 SECONDS in 44 days, but then whine about it being demolished, or how you can't just hold on to something you aren't even using just because you pay a subscription, then why even own it in the first place?

[Dualgunner]

I respect where you're coming from Hyo. I disagree because, in my opinion, they bought the house first. In this era of limited housing, I can understand a timer for when the sub expires, as in effect they're no longer paying "rent" and I even support it. I also feel that, like in my small little thought before your response, a lot would also be helped if players could just sell their plot. Even if selling it just acted as a forced demolition where you got 80% of your gil back, it would maybe alleviate some of the stress and it puts the relinquishing of the home on the player's terms.

I don't mean to sound snippy either, and apologize if I have come across as such. This is an aggravating topic that wouldn't even exist if SE hadn't botched the system up so hard to begin with.

" then why even own it in the first place?"

That's not a position to stand on. That's a question, and its answer varies from person to person, and I stand by whatever their reasoning was, they bought the house and won the race to own it, therefore so long as their sub is payed they should be able to keep it.

[HyoMinPark]

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Thank you for being respectful of my differing opinion. While I respect yours, I'll have to respectfully disagree with it, as you do with mine. I do appreciate our polite exchange, though.

Hopefully, with time, SE can come up with an actual solution to the housing issue in this game...something better than FC-room sized apartments, and only adding 4 new wards to the existing zones after several demands and complaints to do something about housing. I do find it unbelievable that, given today's technology, SE can't figure out a solution to give everyone the opportunity to have a house, or some equivalent. Especially since FFXI was able to give its players an instanced Mog House with its older technology.

I was honestly excited about the apartments until I learned they were the same as an FC room, just 200k more expensive. I was hoping they would have at least been a little bigger, because then i would have considered investing in one of those. But I already had an FC room, and I didn't want to pay 200k more for another one, basically.

I suppose it just makes no sense to me for people to invest so much into a house, and then not/rarely use it, even if it is just a virtual house.

[Dualgunner]

Apartments could have been worse, they could have been a zone hallway with instanced rooms so they could literally only fit so many >.>;

Yeah I was heavily disappointed by apartments as well. :<

[Masekase_Hurricane]

Tying housing demolition strictly to just paying your subscription would just make it even easier for people to continue to hold on to plots they aren't using. If it is so hard for people to just ENTER their estate ONCE every 44 days, then I really don't think that they should even be owning one. Because to do so literally only takes a minute out of your playtime, and if you can't be bothered to do that then... I'm sorry, but it makes absolutely no sense to me to invest so much time in saving up anywhere from 4 to 50 million gil (which can take some considerable time and effort), and then buy a house and NEVER MAKE GOOD USE OF IT.

You say that demolition is to prevent the wards from turning into ghost towns of homes that were owned by people that left the game ages ago, and not about giving up the plots to people that would use them, but that is kind of what the demolition is about: kicking those who didn't bother to enter their house for 45 days, and giving those who want to purchase a plot the opportunity to do so. Unfortunately, there is no guarantee that the next owner would actually use it, and I know there's nothing that can really be done about that other than kicking them as well if they also don't bother to enter it once every 45 days.


It's also worth pointing out that the OP wanted to keep their plot, but at the same time, take a break and NOT have an active subscription. If housing demolition was based on active sub time, and houses were demolished if people didn't pay their sub in 45 days (like you suggest), then the OP would probably have still lost their plot anyways. Since they were complaining about "feeling pressured" to pay money monthly for the game in order to keep a house.

This^^ People are already doing this by coming online once every 45 days to reset the timer. Yet doing nothing with their house. We have a mansion in our ward that has been virtually empty for a year and a half it has 5 items in it a garden and a stable. They log on to pay the sub as we see the player appear every few weeks. I am glad they are forced to log on.