Viera as the next new race~ Show your support

[Nestama]

Thread trolls are just like anime tsundere stereotypes, they keep bumping threads for content they don't want.

"Please go away thread, please go away, please stop replying... bump! oops, tee hee hee"

Different opinion = trolling? Alrighty.

[Vexander]

Different opinion = trolling? Alrighty.

No, but there is a clear and marked difference between stating a dissenting opinion from that of the thread's intent, and then continuing to state the opinion so that the thread remains on the first page, obtains more views, and continues to garner more posts of assent and dissent, sparking arguments, debates, and so forth. In short, there is a difference between having a different opinion, and trolling to watch people argue because it amuses you.

[Ghastly]

Most of Nestama's posts here are nothing new. He either claims to be the victim or tries to cover his ears and say "no no no no, I'm not here to argue, you're all wrong"
If you notice, a lot of the people that disprove of viera like to play the victim all the time. It's a tactic to garner sympathy. And it always happens after they lost an argument or tried to attack you in the first place. Specially the latter.

On that note, which class would you like to see Viera bring in FFXIV when/if they're added? For me I would say any class related to nature like Geomancer, elementalist, or green mage. Interesting is that in FFXII they're described as mastering all types of weapons so they could bring any class with them unlike how au ra is tied to the far east so they're limited to ninja/samurai. Of course this is assuming they will do what they always do (they always stick to the lore of where/how those races appeared in other games). Mithra/miqo'te is still from the desert, galka/roegadyns from the north, and stuff like that related to the traits like intelligence/liking alchemy (tarutaru/lala), etc. There's like 0 examples of a race that appeared in multiple games where their background/origins/and what they do change much or at all. Cid for example never changes, even Odin. Just want to create a mountain of evidence so that people like Nestama can't argue. But they'll just cover their ears and scream around the room.

[Senn]

On that note, which class would you like to see Viera bring in FFXIV when/if they're added?

I think it'd be cool if dancer came out with viera. It seems like a popular class a lot of people would enjoy.

[Vexander]

Dancer, Blue Mage, Beastmaster, etc... all good options for Viera to bring in.

[Kyuuen]

This is why I said I would like another race poll with viera having its own category instead of falling into mammalian beast-man. For clarity's sake, I feel a new poll should be done. However, I do believe Yoshi P's assumption is correct; people voted for a mammalian beast-man race mostly because viera was used as its example.

Yeah, I wouldn't mind that. They could also include others such as racial updates and more clans of what we have. Then again perhaps racial updates should just be expected slowly over time, could work either way.

[Bloody]

A new poll to gauge any changes in the preferences of the playerbase would be better than using 5 year old information, and would allow for a more concrete selection of choices like "New Mammalian (human anthro {similar to Viera and Miqote}), Viera {as an explicit choice}, Expanded options for existing races/clans, more clans for existing races" etc. That way you can differentiate the impulse readers who skipped the "like" before Viera and specifically want that from those who want a mammalian new race but are more generally drawn towards that and may prefer something new and unique rather than rehashing an existing race.

Basically, a redone poll can separate explicit desires for existing races being brought in from those desiring a new unique race from the various classifications that were given in the 2011/2012 poll.

[Lambdafish]

This is why I said I would like another race poll with viera having its own category instead of falling into mammalian beast-man. For clarity's sake, I feel a new poll should be done. However, I do believe Yoshi P's assumption is correct; people voted for a mammalian beast-man race mostly because viera was used as its example.

Except they won't/shouldn't make a poll on future races while they have no plans to make a new race, and Viera shouldn't even be mentioned because people will go "uh ma gawd, Viera is its own option, uh Viera confirmed" when the devs aren't even thinking about that. Adding "such as Viera from XII" on the previous poll likely skewed the results, as it was the only entry that had any grounding or basis for what the race could be (plus fan service and referencing).

Polls and structured feedback is something that should be done anyway IMO, give an ingame incentive to filling out feedback polls, so I support that much of what you are saying, they just need to be careful how they word the questions.

Edit: I should expand by saying that it is perfectly ok if they laid the question like this, but not lump Viera in with vague race ideas:

Which race from previous final fantasies would you like to see as a playable race in FFXIV:
- Dwarf (FFIV)
- Burmecian (FFIX)
- Viera (FFXII)
- Ronso (FFX)
- Lunarian (FFIV)
- Guado (FFX)

though there are far better options than this I just can't think off the top of my head (im never getting my ivalice moogle, so I didn't put that as an option).

[Vexander]

A new poll to gauge any changes in the preferences of the playerbase would be better than using 5 year old information

Agreed, particularly as the playerbase has grown and changed in the course of 5 years. 5 Years ago I imagine FFXIV has a playerbase made up of hardcore Final Fantasy fans, given how most MMO players these days are wary of which game to try, and how 1.0 failed spectacularly. Its very rare for an MMO to bounce back from a failed launch the way FFXIV has, and only feels possible with a strong dedicated core of players, like the Final Fantasy crowd. As the years have gone by, FFXIV has gained more players from other games, particularly WoW which has begun to circle the drain. With a more diverse playerbase, interest in new races is likely to be more varied. While that core of Final Fantasy fans would probably still want Viera, they might not be the majority anymore.

[Nestama]

Most of Nestama's posts here are nothing new.

I won't deny that my posts are nothing new, since I've repeated arguments so many times...
Were Viera added, they would look nothing like their XII counterparts, nor would they look exactly the same as the concept art shown. They will have all but one unique thing taken away from them (claws, rabbit feet and even the tail), leaving only rabbit ears and new faces and a body very similar to what is already in the game. Why waste time on (not) redesigning head gear to make sense of the rabbit ears when SE could just expand on the current races? Third clan of Elezen with similar physique to Viera can work (especially as Viera lore is pretty much elf lore in most ways), or a taller and longer eared clan of Miqo'te (but without tails).

I'll also have you know that I have stated I'll drop all arguments against the addition to Viera the moment SE announces something like Beastmen glamour (and I mean being able to "be" a Beastman. Not something like the Vanu/Zundu and Vath gear). You can literally quote me on that if you go back some many pages. Page 35, to make it easier for you.