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  1. #11
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    Zensho's Avatar
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    Zenmetsu Shogun
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    Sargatanas
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    Paladin Lv 90
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  2. #12
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    Arista Hortensia
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    Hyperion
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    Feel like tank discussion was pretty short and sweet; so shall we move onto healers?

    We already got some info put together. Looks like a few people agree that WHM is top; but is that the case?
    I see a huge amount of ASTs taking their positions very quickly high up the leader boards.
    And on Primal data center, our highest rank player as of this post is a SCH who also has the highest win ratio of the whole list.

    Astrologians are plentiful.
    White Mages are hit or miss.
    Scholars are rare diamonds in the rough.

    White Mage, Astrologian, Scholar~ what do?
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    '04 FFXI: Shield Kites - Paladin - Mithra - Windurst - Diabolos

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    King Canadane
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    Hyperion
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    Sage Lv 100
    Rum is the exception to the rule, I think.
    I mained SCH for two seasons and I wouldn't say I was bad, but it's certainly not a top tier healer for the Feast.
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    http://king.canadane.com

  4. #14
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    Kai Lee
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    Lancer Lv 70
    SE buff drk and ninja, nerf whm slightly and mnk slightly after complains but did nothing to help sch who most players have said sch lacks CC abilities.
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    King Canadane
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    SCH was also hit with SMN nerfs as it was all applied to ACN. Sad times.
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    http://king.canadane.com

  6. #16
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    Mirchea Luslec
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    Odin
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    Conjurer Lv 70
    would be nice to know the reasons and key points for each tier, like why this is on top and so on
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  7. #17
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mirch View Post
    would be nice to know the reasons and key points for each tier, like why this is on top and so on
    I can edit in quotes from you guys and stuff into the OP and try to make it look cute, np!
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    '04 FFXI: Shield Kites - Paladin - Mithra - Windurst - Diabolos

  8. #18
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    Mirchea Luslec
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    Odin
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    Quote Originally Posted by A_Hortensia View Post
    I can edit in quotes from you guys and stuff into the OP and try to make it look cute, np!
    that would be great!
    but i meant need more players pthoughts..i expressed myself on a wrong way aha lol
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  9. #19
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    Hyperion
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    Bumping; as I had wanted to post healer placement tomorrow.
    Presently I'm leaning toward placing WHM and AST on equal footing in an A ranking, and placing SCH in B.

    My logic for WHM is utility; heavy, bind, pushback, aoe stun, and >SLEEP!<
    Their ability to heavy a target for the DPS, CCing aggressors, and sleeping opposing healer in the most critical moments.
    The only weakness they suffer is a lack of movement capability while healing; and perhaps some MP conservation issues that they suffer in a PvE setting.
    A VIT heavy WHM is better equipped to deal with the movement issue as they are able to pseudo tank in within a Sacred Prism.
    MP conservation isn't as glaring with piety heavy gear, and ever less a concern when paired with a MCH or BRD.
    Repose synergy with PLD shield bash can technically remove an opponent from relevancy for an entire 18 seconds.
    Benediction shines always; an instant response to a melee LB, the go to ability to reset after an attunement save, or the problem solver for a tank out of holmgang or living dead.

    So after all that, why do I think AST is also top tier?
    To keep the point simple, the major contributing factor is mobility.
    Instant cast cures, shields, and buffs make for an extremely evasive and slippery healer.
    They can be where they are needed and respond faster to burst; which as everyone should know is the main method of kill scores.
    Retrogradation is a better "WHM Assize"; both as an AoE Esuna and Dispel; also instant.
    Bole and Balance take a 10% hit in PVP areas but still offer a resource that no other job can offer.
    The main argument I really want to push for AST is pure mobility through a larger resource of instant cast abilities.

    SCH!
    I'm mostly clueless; I just know the basics.
    2 sources of cures instead of one can create a pseudo healer omnipresence.
    Aura Blast is their PVP skill and it's... disappointing?
    I've only seen two to three SCHs this season really play at the high level of skill I feel SCH needs to succeed.
    I'd like more SCH input, because I feel like it has WHM's strengths and weakness but none of the CC power to make a difference in critical moments.
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    Last edited by A_Hortensia; 04-14-2017 at 02:50 AM.

    '04 FFXI: Shield Kites - Paladin - Mithra - Windurst - Diabolos

  10. #20
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    Mirchea Luslec
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    Odin
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    One thing i noticed about scholar is that when it has the wolf heart buff it simply spams adlo and no one dies, this hardspam of adlo lasts till end of match and really no one of the sch team dies, sch shields are op, some say it's somewhat weak against summoners and a relevant amount of dots on target
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