As a healer, is it my job to DPS? A new perspective.

[Feyona]

I think all of us can agree a healer shouldn't be required to dps if they're not comfortable.

That doesn't mean there is no room for improvement or that a person is going to stay at that level in all situations.

When Dun Scaith first came out, I could never seem to fit in dps beyond dots in the opener. Now if I'm running with an FC co-healer, I can do more. When I ran Zurvan EX on my own in party finder, I only found one or two WHM who were good enough and geared enough

We should foster a supportive community, not a hostile one. Encourage dps but don't get mean about it if someone declines. Barring a few examples of people filling their time by dancing or jumping around in circles, most people are just doing their best.

This exactly bounddreamer thank you

[Feyona]

Great summary, it really sums up how I was feeling about the situation and why I went through such lengths to put light on that scenario (although you explain it much better than I could have).

I didn't want any future or current healers that could be reading this thread to feel like there was a ton of pressure to instantly be a Pro at doing healer DPS or get kicked, because that will simply cause an issue to push against the meta and limits the ability to adapt and become a better healer. (some will either quit the healer roll, or be too scared to attempt it for fear of failing initially)

So true but then bourne was saying how expected it was and most teams require it. That was why I saw a probem with that expectation.

[Feyona]

I agree, if only she could take full advantage of your advice then there probably wouldn't be any hostility in this thread at all.Alas she cannot really address people properly and doesn't make a lot of sense, she also doesn't seem to read what you say to her a lot of the time, asking questions or trying to make points that has already been addressed a million times.

what actually doesnt make sense is saying or implying that I cant be in a savage team and be casual, when I am. There has been agreement from me too when Ive said its optimal but you dont see that it seems. I keep saying I do what my team wants and thats not heard either . When I say I dps when I can that falls on deaf ears too. The hostility sometimes comes from some of your assumptions about me as well even though Ive been as open and honest as I can be bar human flaws like not rembering

[Feyona]

It's easy when you have the perfect comp, knowledgeable healers and tanks that contribute to the groups overall dps. The healers (specially xero) did more dps than pugs pre echo, well maybe not more but it's silly that the striking dummy boss can be cheesed very easily.

I haven't been on in 2 weeks due to irl stuff so I haven't touched creator savage with echo but it'll be super friggen faceroll with my static.

Yes think your right and said so about teams needing to be ok as well to give the space . but most of the teams ive been in (random or learner) you arnt always able to. But see judge is 100 theres not many can do it not being negative cos think its brilliant

[Wanzer]

The hostility sometimes comes from some of your assumptions about me as well even though Ive been as open and honest as I can be bar human flaws like not rembering

Please, Feyona, reread the comments (from Deliciou5 and Lambdafish); if you have a doubt on something (and there is no shame on this) reread them before writing a response. They aren't hostile. You never got any hostility, at least coming from nowhere or for no reason. And unfortunately, and i'm not saying this to attack you but to help you in a certain way (keep this in mind, please, pretty please) : but you weren't as open and honest than you think, or at last it's not how people could see you here. Not that you didn't want to, and i'm sure you thought you were, but you remained stuck on certains words without thinking of the whole meaning quite often. As you did about me since my first comment unfortunately. That's why it's hard to make your description with these words on it, but it can still happen obviously, eh. And yeah, I can't say that I'm not bitter about you now, but if you trully think what bounddreamer said then just reread the comments, you'll see that nothing was written to devalue you, so no need to start a new conflict for nothing about what these two persons just said. Nobody did assumptions based on nothing. And there is no personal attack.

Bounddreamer is totally right : "I think we're all on the same page about this, we're just using different words and perspectives to frame our arguments". But don't forget if you have more than one or two persons telling you the same thing, you have to take it in consideration. It's very important. '-'

Oh, and since i'm here, as I kept telling you, you are free to play the way you want, especially if you aren't confident enough yet. And since my first comment I, and probably most of people present here, understood your situation and your stance and everything. But, just don't get stuck on words again. As I said twenty pages ago : the community here isn't as bad as you thought, and really tries to help.

And nobody said you can't be in savage while being a casual (not even me on my previous comment), so take a breath, and chill out. If you having fun in what you are doing, and same for your team, it means you are doing it right and nothing else really matters.

And I do hope you won't take this message as an attack in your direction, it's not. Like totally not.
But i'm probably in your blacklist now, but... Eh, I tried.

[Lunafreya]

Feyona... what is your main point in this thread? It just seems to me like you go in circles and circles. Do you just like posting the same things?

[Feyona]

Feyona... what is your main point in this thread? It just seems to me like you go in circles and circles. Do you just like posting the same things?

I am replying luna. Thats what I am doing most of the time here. My main point is in the post abovd that bounddreamer articulated better than I could

[Feyona]

Your right, there isnt but even if if it comes across that way I didnt have hostility towards you . Ill admit I got defensive about some of the things you said to me. Maybe, possibility of misunderstanding from both sides. As I didnt mean you particularly when I said things obviously came across that way. I dont think lambdafish or delicious being hostile either. Just some assumptions were incorrect or seemed . I should be more careful the way I word things in future. Even if I disagree ill try to put it a better way. My first posts on these thread were put down , in a way that did come across quite toxic imagine coming here to see what the community says about healer dps for the first time after you find out you cant heal, looking for an explanation and you jump straght into a healer dps debate without knowing there is one. And your told not to suck (cant rember without looking what was said.) if you dont and your thoughts are 'but but Im a healer'.

[Lambdafish]

well what you say has no bearing on me because I am in a savage team and we are doing it so what is your point? You cant force yours on me either so why state it? Plus I dont or ever have dismissed the needs of my team, where does that idea come from anyway ? Sorry to efit here bu because that guy left the group as well because he didnt like their treatment of me doesnt that tell you something? If it was the case I hadnt tried which was proved I did if you can see that side of things about the reports rubbish or not I still attemted to do what they asked of me and some of you have already said trying is acceptable I just wasnt given the time to learn or given instruction so yes bound to be rubbish according to the meta

Sorry...? You must have massively misread what I said because I can't quite follow your arguement here. I know you are in a happy static right now, that's good and I'm glad you have a group that you synergise with. I'm talking specifically about your attitude towards your previous raid group that you got kicked from, and your idea that personal enjoyment comes first (which was a response to a direct quote) in raiding. I'm not forcing my own ideals onto you, that was never my intention, rather I was trying to explain that team ideals override personal ideals in raid (using my own personal experience of having to suit different groups) and each member needs to adapt. This is easy or hard depending on fight and group, and I'm glad that you have found a group who is happy with you. Go back and reread my posts with that frame of mind.

You seem to have this idea that i think you are bad, or that I am getting personal based on false info, and I want to clarify that all of my information is based on direct quotes and what I have read here, and all I want is to help you understand the reason that you were kicked from that raid group, and maybe help a few people along the way understand what it means to be in a raid group, I'm not trying to teach you how to heal, and I'm definately not saying that you aren't in a good place right now.

Edit: Also, minor gripe, can you please use the edit post function in future as you posted 5 times in a row, and it is a massive reason that this thread is so bloated.

[Feyona]

There seems bit of mis understanding about my old static because I never refused to try to dps I just said I couldnt find windows in a9s and while learning a10s. On a9s I was main healer. I have a personal preference to heal said Ill try and did.. In a one off group the tank died on zurvan ex twice because I was sch and dpsing,if I hadnt been in cleric tank wouldnt of died. I was asked to dps (so I did) and both times couldnt heal enough with a lustrate and had no time to put adlo on, after cs. Why I said that is you seemed to say that I dictate to my group. Thats nottrue but here I find having to defend why I couldnt dps one time. Because saying on one hand that its ok to only dps if your comfortable then saying you have a bad attitude if your group wants it and you dont is a bit of a no win dont you think? But the reason I was kicked was probably due to impatiance, and blaming more than my attitude. Raids are called static breakers in savage. Sorry to edit but dont know how to do it till after I post yes noobish looking but dont see edit function. This post was replying to Lambdafish btw