As a healer, is it my job to DPS? A new perspective.

[CreinCrein]

you say only dots are needed for 80th and then admit he did use malefic sometimes, because if you wanted to proof your point thats an odd way to do it, since your "and the odd malefic" comment proves mine instead. Also as you know healer dmg depends a lot on the group, especially tanks you are playing with. Shouldn't be used as an excuse ofc

Let`s not get caught up over semantics. The point I was trying to make is that he is solohealing content and hitting those percentiles, but you were more focused on nitpicking any flaws in my argument. Also I`m pretty sure it`s common sense healer dps is gated, to an extent, behind tank skill as well but there`s always in every case opportunities to get better. In addition, if you`re applying to a mid-hardcore group it`s assumed you know how to play your class; no one cares how new you are on it, if you can`t perform to their expectations you`re wasting everyone`s time.

[Feyona]

In two minutes (more or less; depends on group) anything or nothing can happen (from wipe to disconnect, more incoming damage that must be healed, annoying mechanics, etc... but it's always a longer run ) Why force something unwritten because someone is unwilling to put some effort in the healer job?!

Well wouldnt want to force anything that not where I stand. Im advocating no force either way. Point was I dont think it matters that much if healer dpses or not really . Not in any instance savage incuded now because of echo. Its not essential so why force that stance?

[bounddreamer]

Well wouldnt want to force anything that not where I stand. Im advocating no force either way. Point was I dont think it matters that much if healer dpses or not really . Not in any instance savage incuded now because of echo. Its not essential so why force that stance?

Feyona, we've come full circle again.

With the utmost good will, I ask you: what is your goal for discussion here? What are you trying to achieve?

I don't think people are literally going to force other players to do anything. Either they will, or they won't. If it's a static situation they may be asked to find a better suited group or choose a different role. If it's duty finder, you can't force others to do anything; if people's playstyles bother someone that much there's the option to leave the duty or kick. But these are all choices.

[Lambdafish]

Its not essential so why force that stance?

Read the thread, people are tired of explaining this over and over

[Feyona]

Feyona, we've come full circle again.

With the utmost good will, I ask you: what is your goal for discussion here? What are you trying to achieve?

I don't think people are literally going to force other players to do anything. Either they will, or they won't. If it's a static situation they may be asked to find a better suited group or choose a different role. If it's duty finder, you can't force others to do anything; if people's playstyles bother someone that much there's the option to leave the duty or kick. But these are all choices.

I know boundreamer I know but seiben I think asked me so I replied. And goodwill to you too but is it ok if I reply to someone if they ask me something? Plus I dont have 'badwill towards anyone here but there are two stances on the issue as you know not just here but other threads. Was refering to that. Seiben mentioned forced I replied using the same word.

[Feyona]

Read the thread, people are tired of explaining this over and over

lambdafish you dont have to explain anything,

[Sieben79]

Well wouldnt want to force anything that not where I stand. Im advocating no force either way. Point was I dont think it matters that much if healer dpses or not really . Not in any instance savage incuded now because of echo. Its not essential so why force that stance?

It may be not essential but it'll help to clear the content and defeat enemies and bossmonster faster. I've seen healer in Dun Scaith which healed or schielded people (AST Collective Unconscious ) while Proto Ultima doing his enrageor just doing nothing because no damage incoming for example.

It's not force cleric stance at these healers but to encourage them using it and show them that there is a better way instead to stay idle and watching everybody (more or less) doing their best

The funny or sad thing is, that the OP mentioned it already at the very first post.

Besides:
If I playing as a tank it annoys me to get hit every second by a vita or a physic+embrace combo if I loose 5% HP. Cast regen or let fairy heal alone and interfere only if there is really need of healing.
It helps also to switch the classes from time to time to see how it feels if you are the one who recieves the aid (or the terror of healingsound spam; hmm maybe I can kick the healer because of harassment )

[Feyona]

It may be not essential but it'll help to clear the content and defeat enemies and bossmonster faster. I've seen healer in Dun Scaith which healed or schielded people (AST Collective Unconscious )

Yes I know. Really though its when you dont have space you dont. Its always whether the situation allows it really as everyone has said including me and I have pld, bard, blm, sumoner and all three healers so kind of know what each role feels like. I guess its up to you if you want to kick someone for healing you. Alot of people on these threads have said its ok to kick someone for anything really so why not? I mean I wouldnt but guess it comes down to what you want again. I dont mind how someone heals as long as I can do the instance doesnt bother me if healers dps or not and as tank Im not really bothered if I get healed to much or not, how, long it takes, or if players are optimal. Iguess on a social game we have to put up with how others are or not que for instancd with the potential of getting anyone who plays how you dont like.I do see your point , how others do things can annoy others but hey this is life and if everyone did what everyone else wants I think life could be very boring. Just see it as part of the game.

[Sebazy]

So you may clear 2 minutes faster if you dps, what is 2 minutes in the grand scheme of things? Who put this idea of right and wrong way anyway?

Here's some cold hard facts for you, please try to read carefully and thoroughly before you reply, please appreciate whilst some of my points may seem a little harsh, I do feel your pain being a healy healer as well <3

Pre Echo, DF pugs generally failed at A12S because they would have to handle at least two and sometimes even three sets of pools in phase 5 (Arguably the hardest part of the encounter to coordinate if you're not sure). Needless to say, the clear percentage of pugs was very low at this point, maybe 1 in 10?

Now with Echo, the kill rate has risen dramatically, personally I'm seeing somewhere between 1 in 3 up to maybe as high as 50/50 success vs fail in A12s now.

I can promise you that it isn't the extra HP. If tanks don't use cooldowns correctly they will still get one shot, messing up mechanics is also still typically a one shot death for those involved.

Naturally the real difference is DPS. Simply put, now a decent DF pug with healers doing reasonable midfield DPS can kill A12s before the second set of pools.

This *TRIVIALISES* arguably the hardest point in the encounter. I really cannot stress this enough.

So yes, that 2 minutes quite literally makes or breaks a typical A12s group. (And actually only needs to be about 45-60 seconds to make the difference tbh)

Point was I dont think it matters that much if healer dpses or not really . Not in any instance savage incuded now because of echo. Its not essential so why force that stance?

I'd agree outside of Savage, the bulk of the content in this game is very lenient on DPS and thus you would be utterly correct. However, as far as savage goes, you are entirely incorrect. If anything, right now Echo actually makes healer DPS more important because of the thresholds it allows average pugs to hit:

A9S - Killing before double hand, killing before faust.
A10S - Skipping tank switches
A11S - Skipping orbs
A12S - Skipping tank busters, killing before pools.

Hitting these marks amongst others will make a pugs chances of successfully clearing dramatically higher.

Please stop throwing mental health issues around Im sure your not qualified to do so and I think you need to look at whether your behaviour is appropriate here

And to reply in kind:

Please stop throwing savage alex issues around Im sure your not qualified to do so and I think you need to look at whether your behaviour is appropriate here

[Feyona]

Here's some cold hard facts for you.

Please stop throwing savage alex issues around Im sure your not qualified to do so and I think you need to look at whether your behaviour is appropriate here]

While you are reasonable at first with your argument, the content, Im sure was never intended to be easy to clear. It was ,however scaled without healer dps and made to be a challenge. While reading your post I was thinking 'but its suposed to be difficult, why are you complaining' Then sadly your post deteriorated into yet another poke at me and I AM qualified to talk about savage because I DO savage content and how can you possibly compare someone using mental health issues to try to derogate someone with experience of savage? The two things are completly incompatible. but will you stop having a poke at me it only shows up a possibility of some kind of obsession as this was dropped a few posts ago