As a healer, is it my job to DPS? A new perspective.

[Wanzer]

My post limit is up but Wanzer below has just proved my point, and made herself seem very hyporcritical in the process They only want to hear 'I love dps'

Wait... I never said this. Or even think about something like this! But.. How? Did you even read my comment? All of them? Because I even said (a few pages ago) that i'm ok if people aren't comfortable enough for DPS'ing as healer. But... I know, you couldn't keep that part as you couldn't use it in your weird stance.
But... How ironic it is! And no, i didn't make your point more valid... Oh boy... How did you come up with this from my post? It's amazing how it works in your head... You really should stop lying to start your own war. :/
And by the way, your edit was very sneaky.

Honestly, I have exhausted everything I could possibly say to Feyona, so that particular discussion did end for me because I'm not longer taking the bait, I'd recommend you don't engage either. You are right that she just wants validation, but in saying so just provokes the victim response over and over again, so the best course of action is to stop engaging. We tried, we really did, but this thread is far more productive if we address the concerns of people who are actually willing to listen, like Sebazy and CuteWhisper.

Yeah, you are right, i should only stay focus on people who really want to talk and share opinions without nonsense. So... Yeah, i give up at this point. '-'

For all you other aspiring Scholars out there, with the addition of Echo in Creator Savage it's a great time to practice stretching your DPS legs and build some synergy with your co-healer in anticipation for Stormblood.

^Clearly the best part of the addition of echo!

[Lambdafish]

I'm not attacking anyone, I'm saying that fflogs is a good tool for education. However, yes all healers who do not dps either stand idle at times, waste time and effort healing people who don't need to be healed, or even both. I'm not implying that it's intentional, but it happens. Analyzing fights and your actions on fflogs can help identify those areas. You say that not all non-dps healers are like that, but I ask you, what do they do with their time that makes it so they can't dps? That time doesn't just magically disappear, it's there somewhere being occupied by something. I'm not saying all healers should be perfect, hell I'm far from perfect. But saying you don't have time to dps just isn't true. The time is there, people just need to learn how to find it.

Apologies, I may have been a bit forward, but I have come across people who are rash about healer DPS and lump all healers regardless of skill level into the "choosing not to" category.

FFlogs is a useful resource for top tier play you are right, but I wouldn't say it is necessary for a healer who is still learning how to DPS in fights. FFlogs is more about optimisation that actually learning what gaps in healing look like and how to properly open those gaps. As for people saying they don't have time to DPS, it is valid point that maybe they can't see the gaps, and its more about teaching them how to recognise them and open them up than actually optimising rotations and fight mechanics.

[Judge_Xero]

.....learning what gaps in healing look like and how to properly open those gaps.

That's a very good point which I didn't even consider in the post I just made, since I naturally play aggressively that never even crossed my mind that other healers wouldn't naturally see those gaps. I would imagine until you develop that basic mentality of looking for those gaps you wouldn't even be able to look for them in logs to further optimize. Also since a lot of healers sit on their CD's for emergency situations instead of using them efficiently during a fight they may not even get to see those extended openings.

I guess that's why when healers begin to want to fit in DPS it actually makes them overall better at healing because they start to develop that mentality of being efficient and actually gaining an understanding of how their toolkit functions.

[Feyona]

Yeah, you are right, i should only stay focus on people who really want to talk and share opinions without nonsense. So... Yeah, i give up at this point. '-'


^Clearly the best part of the addition of echo!

Just becuase I thank someone for agreeing with me doesnt mean Imjust looking for validation. I replied because I thought it was nice of the person to say so. Plus what exactly are you looking for from me? If you insult me I m going to defend myself, If your wrong about my situations I will correct you. How do you know what I think? If your wrong I will tell you, if Lambdafish says stuff like ' you dont attempt to dps' I will tell him hes wrong and give evidence, so what exactly is your problem with me? And what do you expect me to say? Oh yes and I come here to look for validation ...sure and the sky is green. Im going to get plenty of that here arnt I? Again I will tell you why I post here is because I see aproblem with healer dps being expected or forced as if I havent said so a hundred times and this is the place to give feed back on the matter. The point I make about you have to love dps on here is cos you get slated if you dont think its absolutey wonderful to be 'optimal' and 'good for your team' I thunk the stress put on healers out weighs the so called benefits of a fast clear

[bounddreamer]

Yeah, you are right, i should only stay focus on people who really want to talk and share opinions without nonsense. So... Yeah, i give up at this point. '-'

Don't take the bait, Wanzer. This "discussion" has been over and done quite some time ago and the only reason pages keep getting added is because a few people are saying outrageous things that others feel they can't help but respond to.

Let's all note the original poster was done with this nonsense quite some time ago, probably for that same reason.

[Pireco]

I read the begining , until it became another onbnoxius healer dps post, and the last page of this thread, and beyond the personal attacks from non healers who demand healers to dps, its funny vote kick abuse for healers who dont dps was used as reason for kick people (its not against the rules) and people now use fflogs=parser wich is against the rules and think its ok...this comunity is completely hypocritical.

To the subject, if people who complain are so skilled, why u need so bad healer dps?
My persoal experience show that most(60%+) tanks and dds are just plain lazy and have absolutely no sense of responsavility, to the point i prefer sometimes to leave dds dead and just dps myself (and that happens a lot in ex roulette) than waste my mp, and when i took that decision the party were sucessful, so the main problem for me is the vote kick abuse , wich square fail to see and take action.

[Sebazy]

A side note to the fflogs thing, if you watch video replays on youtube it's worth searching for the logs as well as you'll find a lot of people will upload both. Makes it a lot easier to digest the numbers and graphs.

[Feyona]

Don't take the bait, Wanzer. This "discussion" has been over and done quite some time ago and the only reason pages keep getting added is because a few people are saying outrageous things that others feel they can't help but respond to.

Let's all note the original poster was done with this nonsense quite some time ago, probably for that same reason.

I think she may not respond because she doesnt have a justifiable answer. And one person here that actually did want to communicate without insults is me. And just because I dont agree with you when your wrong Im getting hate because some of you on here only like points to support healer dps. Which I cant agree to or I would have to lie and say its good for everyone, which it isnt. Because Im one who says it isnt good for me. Apart from that if you are withdrawing isnt it you that cant communicate properly? Works both ways

[bounddreamer]

Apart from that if you are withdrawing isnt it you that cant communicate properly? Works both ways

It's more the fact that that, over the past 50 pages, it's been amply demonstrated that the only position you'll support, agree with, or respond favorably to is one that is 100% in line with your own. So it's really no use responding to you at this point because you keep inciting circular argument for....what? What is your goal here? What are you trying to accomplish? As noted, many times, you selectively quote opposing points and ignore the moderate views that many people have advocated.

At this point I'm honestly not sure whether you're a very dedicated troll, or just extremely stubborn ESL who doesn't quite understand what is being said.

[Feyona]

That's a very good point which I didn't even consider in the post I just made, since I naturally play aggressively that never even crossed my mind that other healers wouldn't naturally see those gaps.

I guess that's why when healers begin to want to fit in DPS it actually makes them overall better at healing because they start to develop that mentality of being efficient and actually gaining an understanding of how their toolkit functions.

I dont see any gaps at all when Im learng a fight, because Im too busy watching mechics abd watching health bars at first. Its like driving at first everying like junctions come up seeminglvery fast until you get used to it and driving itself you dont have to think about. To me learning fights is like learning to drive. I have healed so long now as a healer its always my main focus to keep people alive. I guess sometimes allowances are not made often for people that learn in different ways