Silver chest farming in PotD, harassed by speedrunners. (More ingored PvE harassment)

[MomomiMomi]

She vote kick and passed because this person ran into a room with 3 monsters, aggroed 3 monters that where pathing, and set off a trap.

Sounds like a case of git gud. 3 monsters and 3 spawned is nothing and should be handled no problem by the average party. In fact, it can be handled solo by a healer. That's not a reason to kick someone.

[Ama_Hamada]

Sounds like a case of git gud. 3 monsters and 3 spawned is nothing and should be handled no problem by the average party. In fact, it can be handled solo by a healer. That's not a reason to kick someone.

um 9 + she does not remember the original number of the room before the 3 adds and the 3 more from the lure since that person was greatly outpacing them. also stop assuming people are 99/99, sounds like your post is a case of assuming. They almost wiped, the full party, and on the second time of almost wiping the party, kicked the person when they would not slow down when asked to, because of the first time.

[MomomiMomi]

That aside, the way I see it, you're the one who is in a hurry. Why are you in such a rush to get your chests that it would be such a problem if it takes a few more potd runs to finish it?

[Ama_Hamada]

that makes.. no sense... whatsoever.....
I do not even know what you are asking?

[MomomiMomi]

If you just go with the party when the teleporter is open, you would sooner get to your next potd run and get more silver chests. But it seems you must have them now.

There is really no need to fully explore the whole area. You'll get more chances in the future.

[Vidu]

You did not address this:

Your post is very insulting on the grounds you refuse to even answer why you care about speedrunning so much you wanna hinder someone's progress, as said:

You did not answer this.
Speed runners take away silver chest farmer progress, silver farm people do not take anything away from speedrunners.

My bad, some part of your first answer wasnt showing when I responded - to adress the "I assume you're 99/99"-issue: No I dont. But I know for a fact that you dont have to be 99/99 at all to at least duo the floors til 100 - wanna know why? Because a friend and I did excatly that. Starting with being around 30/30 (sorry, dont recall excat numbers anymore, but since we never farmed PotD and only went through 1-50 once they cant have been higher) we went all the way to 100 - we wiped one time around 92(?) due to me having to take an important phone call and not being able to handle the three roaming enenmies we ran into (because, well, phone).

To answer it a bit clearer though: Yes, they do take something away from me - my time. And dont tell me its "only 5 minutes" again, as I tried to explain to you for me its more the gesture anyways: Are you willing to go out of your way for my benefit or are you only asking that of me?
Friend and I leveled his dragoon in PotD recently - from 57 to 60. According to him each 10 floors gave him around half a million exp. If the average run of PotD takes 15 minutes without chests and 20 minutes with and we have one hour its a difference between 1.5 million and 2 million exp. Besides the upgrades being not guranated - neither are "its only 5 more minutes". Due to the nature of PotD those 5 minutes can also turn into 10 or 15 (strechted over the whole run, not one floor) because the area being extremly large, lost of monsters around, stepping on traps that either lure more enemies or hinder the party (silence, pacem, frog...) - by stepping into the lamp right away, you eliminate the risk of something like that happening to you.
The fact that a run takes longer when someone refuses to help you is due to the fact that both are being stubborn - you AND them. Both parties are hurting here - yet you only ask one to just give up, while you're not willing to do that yourself.
Also: Being rude to someone because someone else was rude to you before isnt an excuse for your rude behaviour in that very moment.

Tune a down a notch btw - I'm being very polite, not "very insulting" just because I have an opinion that differs from yours.
I am not trying to side with speedrunners here - I merely try to show you that they're players who want to enjoy the game aswell and thyt you should consider their intrests too, not only yours. Same goes for them ofc - but someone has to make the first step. Sadly you arent more willing to do that than they are - so I rest my case here.

(Just a last piece of advice, in case your friend missed that: I assume she wants a proper weapon and does PotD because of that - I fully support taking care of having proper euqip and specially weapons. There are plenty of alternatives for PotD and if shes having such a hard time with that content she might want look into those. I would offer to craft a weapon for her, but since we arent on the same server thats obviously not an option... in the rare case that she is, shes welcome to send me a tell and request an ilvl250 weapon of her choice - crafted weapons, if by me or someonelse, are just one option ofc: PvP (235), Primal-tome-weapons (230->240), Shire (260->270), Relic (all the way up to 275!), aswell as various raid and ex-primal weapons ranging from 190 to 275)

At the end of the day it is a game and everyone is here to get some form of enjoyment out of it - by letting every little disagreement get to you like this and consider having a different opinion or way of approaching the game harrassment and insulting you're taking the fun out of the game for excatly one person and thats you. But thats not really any of my buisness - still, it might be a good idea to relax a little and dont cry "toxic", "harrassment" and "insult" as soon as you dont get something your way.

[Ama_Hamada]

You are not getting 30/30 on floor 51 from doing one clear 1-49.

If you are going to lecture me on other ways to get level 250 + weapons, there is other ways to get exp. If deep is also the fastest way of getting exp even with getting chests, then you have no business harassing new people/silver farmers doing it your way. You are 99/99 so donot need silvers, she has all jobs at 60 so she does not care about exp. At that point it analysis on what is the greatest benefit for the smallest loss (in this case, time) You need silvers to get up to 99/99 in the first place and you need a set amount to be able to function on higher floors. You are also neglecting all her goals, in the past it was to level a job to 60 WHILE getting a weapon for it, saving 5 minutes is not worth it when you are achieving 2 things at once. You also can't assume others do not need silvers as well, she ran into someone that was like 22 weapon/14 armor on floor 51, that person would need silvers desperately. Even if I had it all, I would help this person get silvers cuz they need it to function on higher floors.

You still need silvers to function on the higher floors, and there is no alternative to that. That is why I do not get why others want to pressure others to speed run esp if they are new. As far as weapons are concerned, me and her can both make them, depending on craft, but between us all are covered. If you are going back when they where first released, she rather farm deep for exp/and weapons at once while crafting them to sell since it was a 500-800k investment for a 2 million sale back then. Another thing to consider is if you spend 2-3 mins crafting each mat to hq, because she does not want to risk that 800k off NQ, even though she is able HQ pure NQ, something I hate doing, then it takes about 20 mins +800k gil to make that weapon (now more like 160k + 20 mins) she does not like investing something like that in herself and feels it is better off sold. Right now though, she stopped making them completely because "I got enough gil not to care anymore plus the time investment is no longer worth the profits" (But go figure spending 450k? something in that area of spending of crafting for 2 hours to get 40 sands for her relic, I guess having a 275 weapon made her feel different. Still I know why she did that, on our server, it would cost like 4 times as much doing it by materia, and in fact sold her sets and made more then what she spent off only having 6 sets? and they where not complete, it was like having 6 of some, 2 of others..)

Also consider some people like the weapons as glams as well. Before the update that released the 51-100 floors, she almost had them all (and speed running did not exist back then even to the end) They where also a lot harder then now, 1-51 has been nerfed heavily, esp the 21-50 floors. To be willing go though all that, all the "save from wipe" she had to do, she went though a lot just to get those things, should show how much she really wants them. She likes the originals so much, she went back and bought them again for the ones she has at 255, expect the MCH gun, in her words "gauss barrel makes it ugly so there is no point, but I may buy it someday just to have just in case stoomblood makes it hard to acquire them anymore"

So in the end, people need silvers to get to 99 to begin with, as well as weapons you can only get there. You can "speed run" exp off anything. Right now she runs deep to help a friend level while getting her weapons from it while someday doing 101-200, and of course you need silvers for the 99/99.

For her final words:
"I do not get why people need to rush EXP and be so impatient about getting them. I got all 60 mainly off roulette bonuses and that is something when you consider my first battle 60 was a few weeks before 3.3. I had miner and BTN way before then but due to gating crafting and gather mains, it really put me off for caring about the game at all. Only reason I started to was to play with someone I ended up liking. Point in explaining this has to do with I do not understand why people get so impatient. As said I had no 60 till late 3.2 and it was just getting 60 whm while having a 52? something like that, PLD, while others where 1-15, 26 thm for swiftcast. Point is I did not have much and all my exp came from roulette, the yokai fate event, one job went to low level to 50 ish off that, and Deep weapon farming. I got all 235, turned MCH, AST, BLM, WHM into 255, though the AST 255 was after all 60, while getting back the 235 for whm, blm, ast, after having all to 60. Basically EXP in this game is so easy, and I got no idea why people would start drama at all when in situations like this, help someone get chests or faster exp, when this game rains exp on you.

*old lady voice* back in my day we had to sit looking for party or make one within the span of 10-30 minutes unless you where a bard or healer, after that you spent 10-30 minutes getting to the exp camp, then if you had a 'good party' you got exp chain 5 while getting 3k exp an hour where you enjoyed a 5 real life month grind to max level. Of course it took me a year or so for my first level cap, then maybe 2 weeks after the game was older, before abyssea anyway to get a job to max level. Of course after abyssea that was done in a day, maybe two but whatever, but that was going all out 24/7 it. Here you can just spend 15-30 mins in a daily bonus per day to get max level in a reasonable amount of time. Why start drama and greif people, as said you never really addressed speedrunners wiping runs and MPK over not wanting to speed run, when the game hands you exp? Back in FFXI, you needed help with everything, and coming to a game where people do not want to give someone 5 minutes to help them is a very foreign and, to me, selfish, concept."

If you just go with the party when the teleporter is open, you would sooner get to your next potd run and get more silver chests. But it seems you must have them now.

There is really no need to fully explore the whole area. You'll get more chances in the future.

I got no clue what you are saying and my friend can only say this from what she understands of it:

"I can use the sight thing and see a room has gold chest. Ok this would be ignored by speed runners. I peaked in there and found 3 silvers. Spending a minute to do that is very valid, and if I am understanding you what you really mean, makes your post invalid."

[TaleraRistain]

I'm 99/99 and currently leveling a ninja, if u want to explore the whole map while the teleport is open, go ahead, i just won't go unless your dying. There's just no point in exploring every section of the map when they make it so easy to max out, let alone be 90/90 for the weapons.

It's not easy for someone to max out if they never get the opportunity to get the chests. The players who would still need the upgrades most likely can't go do these rooms completely on their own or at least not as quickly as they could if the party just went along. So it either extends the run much longer while the person tries to get their upgrades, or they are pressured by the rest of the party just standing on the passage into continuing on (if not verbally berated for going for the chests) and being denied a chance at upgrading. This could mean a halt to their progression if they aren't able to hit the arm/armor requirements for the ranges of floors.

[Alleo]

I can understand that its kinda frustrating if you want to level up and the other people dont want to but at the same time this is kinda normal if you do it with strangers. If you or your friend want to do it your/her way than just find at least another person you know and do it with them. PotD can be done solo from 1-100 (and I managed it till 112 before I had a DC) and its even easier if you do it with a second person.

I could agree that it was toxic from the party if she asked nicely and they just keep on insulting her (you know..like it was at PVP >_> which is the reason why they banned the chat..). Not wanting to farm chests is not toxic, especially if most are of the same opinion. (If they are saying it nicely and without insults..)

Also please remember that not every silver chest will have an upgrade. I dont even remember how many times it exploded in my face when I was solo..So if you have gone through a harsher floor nicely and just want to go on and one person wants to open chests..well there could always be the danger of wiping thanks to that. You could easily have some bad players that will run to the chests in a group, get hurt by the explosion and then maybe even activate that nice lure trap..well often this will lead to a game over. And if I remember it correctly you can even have mimics in there..depending on the level of the players those mimics can hit quite hard and also leave a nice debuff..

[A little off topic: People always say that the general forum can be very toxic but the most toxic one is still the PVP forum for me..insults really fly fast there too and after doing some Feast matches with chat still on..well there is a very good reason to ban chat there..never seen that kind of toxic chat in a PVE situation..]

[LalaRu]

What about let people able to leave without penalty whenever they want, instead of kicking others?

I mean, the queue fills up fast, any problem comes out at first floor or alike and you dont waste too much time, it may be faster requeue than kicking, maybe you end up in a party at 9th floor, and who run for chests will see in and outs until everyone is there for chests. Win-win.