Request: Job based swimwear

[Clethoria]

If you can't get the hint, I'm asking you to stop with the feminazi trolling

Oh please I bet you don't even know the different branches of feminism and that Anita is not the spokeswoman for everything related to the subject. Here's a thought, not everyone will like what you like and not everyone will like what I like. But both parties can express how they feel and it's actually not trolling when said event happens.

Given the track record for design in game and for the sake of originality, I find something like this more fitting. Again, going back to MNK for simplicity. It just fits the role with a strong sense of originality by taking a very simple concept and combining it with another. Visually appealing and I'm quite positive can look good on mid and highlanders alike regardless of shoulder broadness and chest size.

[Gemina]

So having negative feelings about seeing nothing but sexy at all costs for 1 body type is a crap debate. Nah. It's only a debate if you choose to argue about it. Takes 2 to tango. I have the right to an opinion and I'm going to post it.

You do have a right to opinion. Of course you do, and I respect that. So allow me to express mine: Seeing clothing that covers very little as sexual and/or objectifying is a very narrow-minded and antiquated view to have this day and age. Every player in this game has a canvas to work with that is otherwise known as their character. So each of us is an artist in a sense with how we make them look. The show your 'insert race" threads are long running, and still active for a reason.

It doesn't have to be sexual or objectifying. It's the viewer themselves that make it this way.

[Gemina]

And it's entirely possible to have more than nothing but skimpy bikinis. When I see the image, I see this:

When I look at this, all I see is a bunch of girls having fun. Except the one on the far left who has no date, or had it stolen from heart-signing girl on the right.

[Serilda]

If you can't get the hint, I'm asking you to stop with the feminazi trolling

Clethoria is unhappy with the designs, not trying to destroy all fan service ever. Hardly anyone jumped on the guy who said female bodies were ugly earlier and that was way more questionable, whereas Clethoria makes a couple of comments, posts a pretty sexy picture of a different way to design a swimsuit and gets accused of being BFFs with a random activist. By your constantly-mentioned 'gf' who won't even post on her own account despite multiple people asking her to show us that much respect. Riight.

Steering this back on topic, I think having a different opinion on what's attractive and reasonable isn't a bad way to take the debate further. I don't think we have any one-piece swimsuits at all (I'm a guy, so maybe I'm wrong). The MNK design resembles what you can achieve with the Elezen female hempen set only reworked as a swimsuit, so I rather like the idea of that; it's a different kind of playful swimwear. The DRG one definitely veers further into fan service territory.

I don't really like the standard sexy black bikini that currently exists in the game as the top doesn't really look plausible on all body types, so I do think more variety would be good. I accept that my opinion is not all that important since I won't be wearing the ladies' versions anyway, however

[Clethoria]

You do have a right to opinion. Of course you do, and I respect that. So allow me to express mine:

Fair point. My views on "sexy" designs stem from how each garment serves its purpose, plus target audience. All these factored in, I make an assessment. Despite the presence of sex in game, I still see XIV as more conservative and anything skimpy still has an essence or flair and style to add to the purpose of the glamour. The designer likely didn't think of all this the same way I do.

Now, TERA or Blade and Soul on the other hand, perfect. Like, whoever did this could get hired on the spot for this quality of work if they got to the right person. Just, not for XIV.

[Jadub2k]

sorry trying to get the Anita-nite to stop. Me and my g/f keep seeing these silly comments in yt and other places about women being objectified in video games. :/ It is kinda annoying to keep seeing every time a swim suite design comes up or other stuff.

My aplogies, just the comments irked me and my g/f.

no, your entitled to your opinion so its fine. However.. I will say that objectifying can be a bad thing. Also however.. It's kinda hard to objectify fictional charaters, with fictional rules, in a fictional fantasy digital world that doesn't exsist....


Also Video game logic gives the finger to all of this, so.. Having said that, I just nullified my own comment. Interesting how that works out lol xD #videogamelogic lol!

[Gemina]

Fair point. My views on "sexy" designs stem from how each garment serves its purpose, plus target audience. All these factored in, I make an assessment. Despite the presence of sex in game, I still see XIV as more conservative and anything skimpy still has an essence or flair and style to add to the purpose of the glamour. The designer likely didn't think of all this the same way I do.

Now, TERA or Blade and Soul on the other hand, perfect. Like, whoever did this could get hired on the spot for this quality of work if they got to the right person. Just, not for XIV.

As far as functionality goes, player view will always steer towards a glamour being the process of making a piece of gear 'appear' as the chosen item. It's perfectly valid when taking to mind the lore of the game, but still has its limits. Gear like this would still be gender and job exclusive. I myself prefer my gear to appear functional for combat, but don't hold it against others who feel differently. Ultimately what I care about is that your iLv is appropriate for the content being ran with importance placed on weapon.

What I would like to mention though is that these glamour items are so exceptional, that I would break my own rules to glamour them over combat gear under the guise of the magical effects of glamour that other players use. The reason why I make that exception in this case is because they are job exclusive. Job exclusive items are without question the most desirable for me, and I will do whatever it takes to have them. I am not the only one with this mindset, which is why I highly implore that SE take advantage.

We've all heard that glamour is the true endgame, but the fact that it can actually get mmo players to sub for FFXIV is on a whole different level. I see both the business and player demand sides for this. All that said, I also know that sexy can be a female covered head to toe. Hilda just might be the sexiest NPC in FFXIV existence imo, and all you can see is her collarbone and neck. She's sexy because she's badass, and looks good kicking ass.

So all I am doing is inviting you to try and see things from a different perspective. I am not asking you to suddenly like what you dislike or see differently than others, but it is only fair to acknowledge that not everyone will sexualize/objectify a scantily clad female character in the game.

[Knahli]

FF has such a lack of emphasis on curves that it's really difficult to interpret things as sexual. The only thing that was even remotely 'sensual' to me in the list of bikinis was the Dragoon one since it had a lacey, lingerie feel to it. None of them looked skimpy to me. It was only after reading one comment that I had to go back and realise Bard was actually a bit revealing, but honestly it's not horribly unlike the likes of the Retainer top which actually emphasises character's bust. So personally I don't understand the objectification argument, not that I want to get into such a debate.

In any case, these designs are all super nice but no-one will stand for them being restricted. Are you mad? Are you trying to bring about the Seventh Umbral Era?

[Snat]

Reason I added for them to be job locked as they are based on the iconic looks for the jobs and it would be nice to have a bit more job identity in this game as already most of the gear in the game can be used by the same role. This is just a personal opinion and I believe there is already a lot of topics about job locked gear which argues both sides - I care more about seeing deigns like this in game

Anyhows I would imagine with Stormblood will be bringing quite a few more swimwear that can be used by all :P

[Clethoria]

In any case, these designs are all super nice but no-one will stand for them being restricted. Are you mad? Are you trying to bring about the Seventh Umbral Era?

You know what else is technically restricted? The animations on battle/victory poses. Complete the duty, unlock class, backflip as a LNC without paying cash. It only takes the smallest bit of effort to do so.