Jobs are balanced equally and no class is considered meta.

[KusoWat]

dots are not needed for PvP, they can "one shot combo" without them, the only warning is the cast time on emp arrow, once that goes off, and you are not ready to heal it, even with Lustrate/ Benediction, the person is gone, unless tank.

Also between the eyes is more common around 2-5k, you guys are seeing rng damage spikes, MCH is pretty useless without it. Also melee LB/ latency issues are in need of more of addressing, maybe the server upgrade and move will help with being melee lbed 3 miles away and though a wall. I will never forget being IN SPRINT, while running AWAY from the person, BEFORE! the sound happened, and was released with me being behind one of those walls in feast. I am really dumbfounded how this game's latency is ssooo bad.

If you are going to claim brd doesn't need dots, do a little more research before you make those statements. To say the only warning for brd burst is the cast time is also false. Their buffs (barrage mostly), position, dots, and cast time are all very telling. They have to be within 15y yalms for maximum damage, and because emp is also a cast time, if they want to kill a fleeing target, they have to get pretty close or bind (make their burst even more obvious) to 100 -> 0.

Sidewinder requires the dots to do efficient damage. Bard's burst combo is Emp Arrow -> Farshot -> Sidewinder -> Other attacks, sidewinder is the nail in the coffin of the burst combo. It speeds up the animation and damage application of farshot, it makes all of them land seamlessly and nearly the same time, creating the 100 -> 0 scenario.

BRD is the noob killer, only OP to the unknowing/lesser skill. At higher levels, BRD just gets shutdown, especially against a PLD/DRK. Meaning they have a 66% (theoretically) chance in feast games to go against a job that will negate them harshly.

Between the eyes prior to nerf commonly hit for 3-5.5k, buffed ones that is, as it should be. MCH is not useless without, granted it helps their toolkit, but they have more than just BTE going for them.

[Ama_Hamada]

If you are going to claim brd doesn't need dots, do a little more research before you make those statements. To say the only warning for brd burst is the cast time is also false. Their buffs (barrage mostly), position, dots, and cast time are all very telling. They have to be within 15y yalms for maximum damage, and because emp is also a cast time, if they want to kill a fleeing target, they have to get pretty close or bind (make their burst even more obvious) to 100 -> 0.

Sidewinder requires the dots to do efficient damage. Bard's burst combo is Emp Arrow -> Farshot -> Sidewinder -> Other attacks, sidewinder is the nail in the coffin of the burst combo. It speeds up the animation and damage application of farshot, it makes all of them land seamlessly and nearly the same time, creating the 100 -> 0 scenario.

BRD is the noob killer, only OP to the unknowing/lesser skill. At higher levels, BRD just gets shutdown, especially against a PLD/DRK. Meaning they have a 66% (theoretically) chance in feast games to go against a job that will negate them harshly.

Between the eyes prior to nerf commonly hit for 3-5.5k, buffed ones that is, as it should be. MCH is not useless without, granted it helps their toolkit, but they have more than just BTE going for them.

I said you do not need dots in PvP to kill someone near instant, I am well aware of what that ability says. Really note how I said in PvP, in PvE of course you only use that with both dots on the target. I would not stand there saying "do a little more research before you make those statements." because you do not understand what I mean. The dots are of course helpful and easier but if you want to be a bit more unexpected, you do not need them. I am going by what I seen in pvp, not theroycrafting saying a potency 100 ability is useless.

Outside of Between the eyes MCH is useless and easy to heal through.

[KusoWat]

I said you do not need dots in PvP to kill someone near instant, I am well aware of what that ability says. Really note how I said in PvP, in PvE of course you only use that with both dots on the target. I would not stand there saying "do a little more research before you make those statements." because you do not understand what I mean. The dots are of course helpful and easier but if you want to be a bit more unexpected, you do not need them. I am going by what I seen in pvp, no theroycrafting saying a potency 100 ability is useless.

Outside of Between the eyes MCH is useless and easy to heal through.

What you are seeing in PvP are garbage Bards, if you want to be unexpected with your burst (with sidewinder, as it should have) you put dots on everyone, not forgo them entirely. That's idiotic at best. You should only ever use Sidewinder with dots, it's not just a PvE thing, it's both. I hope you aren't dying to Bards without buffed sidewinder.

For you to say Machinist is useless outside of BTE is only becoming satire at this point. Going based off by your experience with Bards, I see you only know terrible players, and that's fine. Just stop speaking of something you have limited experience of.

[xxczx]

Emph Arrow is not the killer, the follow ups are the killer.

Sidewinder is a 260 pot skill with both DoTs up, please read tooltips miss I can heal MCH burst but not BRD.

[Ama_Hamada]

What you are seeing in PvP are garbage Bards, if you want to be unexpected with your burst (with sidewinder, as it should have) you put dots on everyone, not forgo them entirely. That's idiotic at best. You should only ever use Sidewinder with dots, it's not just a PvE thing, it's both. I hope you aren't dying to Bards without buffed sidewinder.For you to say Machinist is useless outside of BTE is only becoming satire at this point. Going based off by your experience with Bards, I see you only know terrible players, and that's fine. Just stop speaking of something you have limited experience of.

and what happens when you have a healer that is leeches them off? Also the thing is, with all the brd followups, you do not need it, if you barrage and emp arrow someone, and the healer is not expecting it, that person will die, dots or not. I do not know where you get off saying "Just stop speaking of something you have limited experience of" when it sounds like you are the one with limited experience. I healed though MCH just fine, I do not know where you are coming from with ".For you to say Machinist is useless outside of BTE is only becoming satire at this point." BRDs can do over 10k total of damage after a barrage emp-arrow follow up on all off-global cooldowns, without the dots, in pvp.

I am telling you the damage I seen, the stuff I healed though, you act ass I am playing a different game or something.

Emph Arrow is not the killer, the follow ups are the killer.

Sidewinder is a 260 pot skill with both DoTs up, please read tooltips miss I can heal MCH burst but not BRD.

same, kinda, with brd it depends, sometimes I can, sometimes I can't esp when they are trying to dot everyone, it is really slow that way. A brd playing mind games though is very scary, a MCH wasn't able pull off such things on me.

[KusoWat]

and what happens when you have a healer that is leeches them off? Also the thing is, with all the brd followups, you do not need it, if you barrage and emp arrow someone, and the healer is not expecting it, that person will die, dots or not.

There is this thing, called reapplication, in which it is possible to put dots back on a target, I know, mind BLOWN.

That healer must be absolutely awful. Letting themselves or teammates die to such a sub-par burst.

Please play with some good players, thank you.

[Ama_Hamada]

There is this thing, called reapplication, in which it is possible to put dots back on a target, I know, mind BLOWN.

That healer must be absolutely awful. Letting themselves or teammates die to such a sub-par burst.

Please play with some good players, thank you.

Same can be said about you.

[KusoWat]

What is your highest rating in Feast?

[MisterAdri]

There's actually a really easy way to heal through MCH and BRD burst: Swiftcast Stone.

[Ama_Hamada]

I am just going to say this since a point was missed and I wanted see how much the change may effected things.
The only way my friend on mch could kill me on all off globels and not be slow is having all buffs + precasted hotshot(i healed myself afterthat) stungun, inbetween the eyes and all the off global cooldowns she had. On brd all she had to do was use the attack buffs, barrage + emp arrow and all the off globals, she did not need the dots, she did not even need strightshot. A BRD is way faster at bursting then MCH is (actually she said one of them on brd wasn't needed) so brd kills with emp arrow +5ogcd while MCH was all her ogcd + normal attack. emp arrow is 1.45 sec, hotshot and whatever is 1.47. Even without hitting me with hotshot, (like hitting fairy) she needed more prep time on MCH to kill me then on brd.

Empyreal Arrow.
Ama Hamada takes 1629 damage.
Ama Hamada takes 1684 damage.
Ama Hamada takes 1670 damage.
Farshot.
Ama Hamada takes 2736 damage.
Sidewinder.
Ama Hamada takes 740 damage.
Blast Shot.
Critical! Ama Hamada takes 1970 damage.
you are defeated by BRD
(this confuses me since i got 10200 hp in pvp but whatever i guess i can test again)

So a MCH needs a bit of damage beforehand to kill me, the in between the eyes and all the ogcd is not enough where brd can do it without dots, just emp arrow and all the ogcds. I do not know what rank I got or being insulted has to do with me saying MCH is easier to heal though then BRD is, leaving me confused why people ate screaming nerf MCH and BRD is fine. MCH kills slower then BRD does.

But hey, I am just here saying MCH is easier to heal over then BRD is, no idea why get on my case about that, just because people want to complain about lucky damage spikes from inbetween the eyes. Seems MCH seems pretty useless now, maybe they kill fast with hypercharge now? idk