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    xxczx's Avatar
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    Dark Falz
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    MCHs are definitely not useless when their burst is down. They can contribute more than a melee or tank.

    And you've obviously not been against good MCHs then. A quick hardswap onto heal and you can easily drop 10+k damage in their 3s stun
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    Quote Originally Posted by xxczx View Post
    MCHs are definitely not useless when their burst is down. They can contribute more than a melee or tank.

    And you've obviously not been against good MCHs then. A quick hardswap onto heal and you can easily drop 10+k damage in their 3s stun
    You never met a good healer if you think a healer would let a mch walk up to them and get hit by that. Purify is a thing anyway, but hey if a healer is letting a mch walk up to them to begin with, guess they would not know about purify right?

    You are wrong, outside in between the eyes MCH is easy to heal though, a good drg or mnk on the other hand.... If you hit me with a 8k move like that, you would need help because by time you hit a second ability, I would healed myself, there is a delay, I know when to expect in between the eyes.
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    Korihu Yanhu
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ama_Hamada View Post
    You never met a good healer if you think a healer would let a mch walk up to them and get hit by that. Purify is a thing anyway, but hey if a healer is letting a mch walk up to them to begin with, guess they would not know about purify right?

    You are wrong, outside in between the eyes MCH is easy to heal though, a good drg or mnk on the other hand.... If you hit me with a 8k move like that, you would need help because by time you hit a second ability, I would healed myself, there is a delay, I know when to expect in between the eyes.
    I mean that's all well and good but as a fellow healer surely you know that you can't always be on your toes that a mch can never walk up to you, there are three other opponents as well as your party members to watch out for, nor will you always have purify up.

    Not saying you're completely wrong but that's kind of oversimplifying things, making it sound easier than it actually is.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ama_Hamada View Post
    You never met a good healer if you think a healer would let a mch walk up to them and get hit by that. Purify is a thing anyway, but hey if a healer is letting a mch walk up to them to begin with, guess they would not know about purify right?

    You are wrong, outside in between the eyes MCH is easy to heal though, a good drg or mnk on the other hand.... If you hit me with a 8k move like that, you would need help because by time you hit a second ability, I would healed myself, there is a delay, I know when to expect in between the eyes.
    Even if you purify mch stun BTE will still proc and you will still have to use an instant heal and purify will be on CD for 90s. Mch also has multiple burst rotations so another will come out while your purify is down. Not to mention the mch is silencing you and stealing a gcd away from you every 30s.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TiramisuMacaron View Post
    Even if you purify mch stun BTE will still proc and you will still have to use an instant heal and purify will be on CD for 90s. Mch also has multiple burst rotations so another will come out while your purify is down. Not to mention the mch is silencing you and stealing a gcd away from you every 30s.
    I know that, it isn't for defending the damage, it is to allow me to heal after it. If I get bound from a distance (MCH sound esp) I do not bother to purify and have my finger on the button on it and Lustrate to see what the plan is. If anyone walks up to me I am running away (going to the post saying I am oversimplifying things) If I have stacks there is no reason for me to stand in a spot, I mean I am rarely hit by close range stuns other then PLD yolos, and nothing much I can do about that other then spiriting in circles.
    Quote Originally Posted by Exiled_Tonberry View Post
    So many people here that have no idea how PvP is in this game.

    Even with purify, or being a tank or whatever, this will DESTROY you. If it doesn't one shot you, the next OGCD nuke will.
    Just looking at MCH, they'll pop everything they have, and pump you full with Between the Eyes, Gauss Shot, Ricochet, a push back, stun, Lead shot and if somehow you're still alive, Hypercharge will cripple you for the next person.

    Did I mention this all happens within 10 seconds?
    That next move is still DELAYED, i healed though it before, I have 10,4k Hp in PvP. My heal, Lustrate will register before any follow up made by a single person, also MCH doesn't have a 2k follow up, (least I never seen one) unlike brd. You need 2 people, even with a in between the eyes, like in the OP, to land at the same time, to kill me. The only way to get me is to weaken me enough, stun, then do it, you need to kill me with it. I think people have tried but misjudged because I pad HP a bit.

    Of course I'm dead meat without my stacks .. so there is that too, I tend to fall further back when I am spent like that though.
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    Last edited by Ama_Hamada; 03-25-2017 at 02:20 PM.

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    Nessa Goddessly
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ama_Hamada View Post
    You never met a good healer if you think a healer would let a mch walk up to them and get hit by that. Purify is a thing anyway, but hey if a healer is letting a mch walk up to them to begin with, guess they would not know about purify right?
    Eh, if I have already been full swinged, then my purify would be down, plus those mchs have that pesky bind. They can literally walk right up to us
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