As a healer, is it my job to DPS? A new perspective.

[Neela]

At this point in the game there shouldn't be two opposing sides of the argument, only different skill levels of being able to heal and DPS.

I honestly agree with you here ^^

[Taika]

It's only the "Heal only" Healers that carry the title of Lazy.
We are almost to the 3rd expansion of the game and with how damage has been tuned this whole time, there isn't really a reason to have that mentality outside of being stubborn.

At this point in the game there shouldn't be two opposing sides of the argument, only different skill levels of being able to heal and DPS.

This. You're only called lazy if you absolutely refuse to DPS out of personal principle or whatever and instead do nothing (or do something useless). You're only called lazy if you refuse to be helpful to your party if you could. You will not be called lazy (or should not at least), if you're a team player and try to be useful.

If you're (a general "you") uncomfortable with or not used to DPSing as healer, but are nicely asked to try when there's clearly room for it, even if you only cast 1 or 2 spells each fight that's generally appreciated and encouraged. But if you say "lol no I won't DPS I'm a healer you elitist d**che", then yes you may get called lazy and even get kicked out of the party.

The fact is, and I don't think anyone will deny this, that in most fights and situations in this game, a healer can easily keep everyone safe without 100% activity (in some fights, this can be as low as 10-20% activity - and yes, of course, there are expections to this, but those aren't the situations we're arguing about). Where people disagree is what happens after this: is it alright to just leave it at that (even if it would only require 10% activity), or if they should use the rest of the time being otherwise useful to their party. I think they should, because it's only fair to their party.

[Neela]

"lol no I won't DPS I'm a healer you elitist d**che"

okay and now show me one user on the last 100 pages - who fights for this opinion.
Afaik nobody even tried to defend this kind of mind or attitude.

[Taika]

okay and now show me one user in the last 100 pages - who fights for this opinion.
Afaik nobody even tries to defend this kind of mind or attitude.

I wasn't claiming this is an argument people make on these forums (unlike you claiming that people are arguing "u have to no matter what", I might add), but instead talking about in-game behaviour - and I've met them several times in game. And yes, I have been asking nicely and politely every time and got this (usually without swear words though, thankfully). But there really are people like this on these forums too:

WHM main and i refuse to DPS in raids simply because my job is HEALER and not DPS

[Neela]

hmm k your point. I don't remember Asuka to be honest, but on the last idk 20 pages - no-one defended this statement, its more about the attitude and the way people tried to proof their points. and I feel sorry for the answers you got - but at least you got answers... the last example I wrote with the 3 tanks... nobody even tried to get the adds in following runs.

[Feyona]

I never said you don't have friends, or have people who don't like you overall.

Just as you say you are not entitled to tell people how to enjoy themselves, you still feel like you are entitled to stop a party from playing how they want to play by you refusing to do the job they want you to do.Hypocrisy much?

Why do you and others on this thread think that I dont do what my party wants? When Ive said several times that I do and the only time I dont is if I cant and this is the whole point to me making posts here. That its being forced on people wether the situation allows it or not. I have a big tendency to stick up for others too wether that makes me popular or not .I know how it feels to be pressured as healer so I am defending people as well. Strange you dont see that. Plus people have been quite toxic here so yes I will defend and defend

[Taika]

Plus people have been quite toxic here so yes I will defend and defend

Who are you defending, though? Yourself? If so, from what or whom - since you've made it clear that you are willing to work for your team and you DPS when asked and so on, and everyone here has made it clear they don't have anything against a healer who tries to be helpful?

[Lambdafish]

Why do you and others on this thread think that I dont do what my party wants? When Ive said several times that I do and the only time I dont is if I cant and this is the whole point to me making posts here. That its being forced on people wether the situation allows it or not. I have a big tendency to stick up for others too wether that makes me popular or not .I know how it feels to be pressured as healer so I am defending people as well. Strange you dont see that. Plus people have been quite toxic here so yes I will defend and defend

If you are already DPSing then how are people forcing it on you? That's the part that i don't get, you say that you already do everything that we say is required, on which case who is being toxic to you? We have gone around in circles too many times because you can't make up your mind as to whether you are pro DPS or anti DPS. As I said about toxic players, respect is lost through bad attitude, and I fear that you might be being too confrontational in parties when it comes to your playstyles, and thus you victimise yourself when they turn on you.

[Feyona]

This is exactly what I said: you and some others are basing your arguments on extrinsic factors like developer comments which have nothing to do with actual gameplay.


Once again, this is a perfect example of what I was describing, that you and some other people are viewing this as a valid basis for the discussion. While others, like myself, are not, because I don't care how the game is described to work, I only care how it actually works. It's like in FFXI, when the developers designed Ninja as a DPS job, and it ended up being a tank - because that's how it worked the most effectively. The developers could talk as much as they wanted about how it was supposed to be a DPS job, but in the actual game it was played as a tank.

You are correct the ability to dps as healer is separate from the design intentions, but so many posts here are claiming, and using, the design argument, somewhat skewed, to state that everyone should be forced to do it

[Feyona]

If you are already DPSing then how are people forcing it on you? That's the part that i don't get, you say that you already do everything that we say is required, on which case who is being toxic to you? confrontational in parties when it comes to your playstyles, and thus you victimise yourself when they turn on you.

Im not on either side tbh in that way, I m defending against people being harrassed to do somthing either because they hate it or because they feel nervous about it. After I was booted, which was someone using a parser against me, on a10s while I was learning the fight together with a9s where i had to main heal, cos my co healer was dpsing. I was told Im not playing sch properly and was given a week to learn it. This put alot of pressure on me and I felt I couldnt play how others wanted until I had practiced but still couldnt get the space while learng a10s I was mis interpreted as 'refusing' The whole thing is not just personal to me but know how it feels to be pressured when your a nervous or cautious player. And at that time look up fflogs a9s scholar healing 4500hps and 95% active a9s. I had to main heal. Cos no one else was keeping party up and might add we were really just starting savage at that time. So yes I was bulied with a parser even though Im using one here to validate what I say is correct. Thats apart from someone's political maneovering to get someone else in the static as the co healer as well had to justify why she couldnt give me space to dps as ast. But this is more on the social side of things