Umbrites are terrible.

[Doozer]

I have to point and laugh at people saying Lore "naturally accumulates", like do you know what either of those words mean? You don't just magically have Lore by idling around, do you? At least be honest and say that there's lots of ways to get it, but you have to actually do things in order to get it.

Though I gotta say, spamming group content over and over sounds fun on paper, but it also relies on all the other people being involved doing it at least somewhat efficiently, and without conflict. All the ways of getting Lore completely 100% solo gets you very little. So as much fun as it is enduring bad and rude players just to get Lore, it would be nice to get them a different way. The Unidentifiable step sucked, but at least you could get them from multiple sources, and were obtainable for multiple different playstyles.

[seekified]

I have to point and laugh at people saying Lore "naturally accumulates", like do you know what either of those words mean? You don't just magically have Lore by idling around, do you? At least be honest and say that there's lots of ways to get it, but you have to actually do things in order to get it.

Of course that's what we mean, it's not like it just shows up. The point is that you get lore by just playing the game and doing stuff you'd probably be doing anyway, like roulettes or EX farms. It's a much nicer feeling to open your Currency window and go "oh, time to buy umbrites again" instead of constantly watching it slowly fill after each ARF/Gubal run.

[Doozer]

...doing stuff you'd probably be doing anyway, like roulettes or EX farms.

Ah yes, the EX farms that I've totally done and will continue to do.

I think the problem here is that people assume everyone has the same play style. The only EX I've ever done was Leviathan and after a few attempts I just stopped because people just kept failing or were super rude. And that's if I ever got in. And don't just say "well get a group of friends or use PF" 'cause that won't automatically make it succeed.

I'd much rather have the option to get Umbrite from stuff I can do on my own, like beast tribe quests or gathering. Maybe the option to buy it with Poetics too, like previous steps.

[Seniade]

The lore is easy to get by just doing daily roulettes and Vanu beast tribe quests:

Expert - 60 for the roulette + 80 for the dungeon itself
Lv 60 - 100 for the roulette + (30, 40, 50, 60, 100, or 150 depending on the dungeon you get)
Lv 50 - 120 for the roulette
Leveling - 100 for the roulette
Trial - 60 for the roulette + (0, 8, 10, 12, or 15 depending on the trial you get)
Frontline - 50 for the roulette + 50 for the frontline itself
Vanu daily - 3 quests @ 15 each = 45

In all, that's 695 - 830 lore per day.

[ZioSerpe]

I have to point and laugh at people saying Lore "naturally accumulates", like do you know what either of those words mean? You don't just magically have Lore by idling around, do you? At least be honest and say that there's lots of ways to get it, but you have to actually do things in order to get it.

Though I gotta say, spamming group content over and over sounds fun on paper, but it also relies on all the other people being involved doing it at least somewhat efficiently, and without conflict. All the ways of getting Lore completely 100% solo gets you very little. So as much fun as it is enduring bad and rude players just to get Lore, it would be nice to get them a different way. The Unidentifiable step sucked, but at least you could get them from multiple sources, and were obtainable for multiple different playstyles.

No please let's complain about semantics and hyperboles, 'cause that is what rational individuals do.

[Doozer]

The lore is easy to get by just doing daily roulettes and Vanu beast tribe quests: snip

It's important to keep in mind thought that not everyone has a high enough ilevel to do every single roulette (I know my friend that I play with only recently got a high enough ilevel to do Baelsar's Wall and it was still pretty rough). And personally I don't like pvp, so Frontline is a big no for me. That's still a lot of ways, but it would be nice for their to be more solo ways to get Lore if you just want to play alone for a while.

No please let's complain about semantics and hyperboles, 'cause that is what rational individuals do.

So why bother quoting everything I said if you're just going to whinge about the first part?

[Serilda]

I struggled with lore too because I don't like roulettes and Frontline doesn't pop on my datacenter at the time of day I play but it's still a fact that it accumulates slowly when playing normally. Treasure maps? Beast tribe? Diadem (unsure whether the new version offers this but the old definitely did)? First run through of dungeons with friends? The step was super slow for me but if I managed it at the old cost without farming even once I'm pretty sure it's doable. If you don't want to do any group battle combat in the first place does it even matter if your anima is outdated? There's so little solo content where that would matter. Gathering has its own gear rewards already.

[Belhi]

I have to point and laugh at people saying Lore "naturally accumulates", like do you know what either of those words mean? You don't just magically have Lore by idling around, do you? At least be honest and say that there's lots of ways to get it, but you have to actually do things in order to get it.

Though I gotta say, spamming group content over and over sounds fun on paper, but it also relies on all the other people being involved doing it at least somewhat efficiently, and without conflict. All the ways of getting Lore completely 100% solo gets you very little. So as much fun as it is enduring bad and rude players just to get Lore, it would be nice to get them a different way. The Unidentifiable step sucked, but at least you could get them from multiple sources, and were obtainable for multiple different playstyles.

I have 2-3 relics and I haven't spam farmed any content in the game except for lights and mounts. I'll my Umbrites have come from roulettes and such.

That said, I did think the Anima quest chain was too lore focused. It made lore quite the bottleneck for progress.

[alimdia]

It's important to keep in mind thought that not everyone has a high enough ilevel to do every single roulette (I know my friend that I play with only recently got a high enough ilevel to do Baelsar's Wall and it was still pretty rough). And personally I don't like pvp, so Frontline is a big no for me. That's still a lot of ways, but it would be nice for their to be more solo ways to get Lore if you just want to play alone for a while.

You only need i230 for expert roulettes, the other roulettes have a lower ilvl requirement, if you don't have i230 then you have to work on your gear. Complaining that undergeared and new people can't do the umbrite step fast is quite weird, you're not supposed to complete it right when you hit 60.

[GunksFoy]

I don't think the umbrite step was truly that difficult, however, I think diversity of content is always a good thing. Giving us the option to get them via beast tribes or maybe poetic or GC seals would have been a huge help in speeding up the process as well as making it a little more fun. Not everyone likes to do dungeons all that well so I think some diversity would have been welcome.