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  1. #8531
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    SeriousxSarcasm's Avatar
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    Mandar Magoo
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    Cactuar
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    Botanist Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by Nestama View Post
    At the very least, the Caster should use it... if the group of mobs is more than three.
    ikr? Sometimes I'll ask at the start if they mind if I use the LB at-X-time when I know there's a bunch of mobs coming. Most say no, so whatever, we'll use it on bosses like we should, but I know sometimes this can speed up a run by a lot and some people prefer it that way. But with tank it's like, Oookay, you're the only one taking minimal damage at this point. Thanks for wasting it. :/
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  2. #8532
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    Violyre's Avatar
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    Kiriah Aishi
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    Adamantoise
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    Warrior Lv 100
    Just got out of normal Stone Vigil on NIN, and I swear either people are getting to me worse lately, or I just want to strangle people a lot. Am I becoming an elitists? Judge for yourself.

    Tank: No Shield Oath until I remind him. Slow to pull.
    Healer: Accessories mostly level 1 weathered gear. Can't control MP usage, causing us to frequently stop between mobs so they can recover MP (I think this is the first time I've ever seen anyone say to hold on for MP outside of battle.)

    I assume those two, plus the other NIN were in a group together. They were all bloody idiots.

    Second boss, I have to tell the tank not to fight in the middle. He backs up, but only far enough back that he's where the room meets the doorway. I take care of Isgebind. Healer dies just under 20%. I use LB. And what happened next was almost surreal.

    The NIN yelled at me for using the LB. You want to know why?

    We were supposed to save it for the final boss.

    Okay, I get that, but it's not like we won't get the bar to full at the boss anyways. But that's not the whole reason.

    We were supposed to save the LB so we could LB the final boss twice.

    Has anyone heard something so absurd? Is it even possible? Is two one-bar LBs better than one two-bar?

    It gets better. The healer told me I missed the LB. I didn't. I checked my log. 2054 damage.

    So this is the part where I may be elitist, but I can't resist sharing it because this cemented the NIN's idiocy.

    I made a comment about them needing gear improvements. They told me that I should look at my own gear (including the healer basically saying their gear is fine), the NIN adding "nice shirt." I'm wearing the level 40 woolen shirt HQ, which is on-par with non-dungeon NQs available at the dungeon's level cap (I'd be better wearing the HQ of the higher stuff, I know, but I digress.).

    He was talking about my glamour. Seems the look of my glamour shows my gear is bad. I was wearing the survival shirt as glamour.

    Almost wonder what they'd say about my i260/270 tank songstress glamour.
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  3. #8533
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    NaesakiAshwell's Avatar
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    Naesaki Ashwell
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    Odin
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    Summoner Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Violyre View Post
    -snip-
    I just can't wrap my head around how people like this function at all...like....just.....what.

    The whole tank thing I've been noticed as a trend lately (in dungeons were its applicable) I have to constantly remind them to turn their Defiance/Grit/Shield Oath on because they pull everything and then lose enmity 5 seconds later, with the healer becoming minced meat and due to them getting severely interrupted trying to cast, they inevitably drop while the tank will be just stood their tanking the one mob they've managed to keep hold of.

    Now majority of the time, the next pull they'll put it on when I ask them nicely and sometimes they apologise but other times they just plain don't and don't say anything in chat and keep trying to do the dungeon their way. Then these ones have the gall to turned around half way through and tell us to stop generating so much enmity. -___-
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  4. #8534
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    Violyre's Avatar
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    Kiriah Aishi
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    Adamantoise
    Main Class
    Warrior Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by NaesakiAshwell View Post
    I have to constantly remind them to turn their Defiance/Grit/Shield Oath on because they pull everything and then lose enmity 5 seconds later
    I admit, I slip at times. Usually when I go into a non-60 dungeon. If someone reminds me, I'm like "I'm a derp. Thank you and please forgive me.

    There was one other thing I forgot to mention in my post. We got to the final boss, and they did /sit. All of them. Had to be 2-3 mins. My best guess is they expected me to quit. They could've easily won that since they all hated me anyways and I told them to go and kick me if they don't like people who know how the game works.

    In retrospect, it may have been worth it to drop out. Bye bye limit gauge!
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  5. #8535
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    Knahli's Avatar
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    K'nahli Yohko
    World
    Balmung
    Main Class
    Bard Lv 89
    Quote Originally Posted by Violyre View Post
    We were supposed to save the LB so we could LB the final boss twice.

    Has anyone heard something so absurd? Is it even possible? Is two one-bar LBs better than one two-bar?


    According to this, no, and it would make sense that LB2 would be stronger for obvious reasons so I have every inclination to believe it.

    Either way, I wonder if maybe they meant that you were supposed to save your LB so you got a LB2 for the boss? They might have thought they'd only have LB1 in the end but I have often used LB at the very start of the second boss in that dungeon and fully recharged the bar just in time for the final boss, and judging from your story, DPS sounds like it should have been slow enough to easily make that possible. Though one thing POSSIBLY to their credit that strikes me is, if you waited until 20% before LB'ing then it does make it more unlikely that you'd have gotten LB2 in time, at least not until after the point that even a LB1 would have finished the final boss off. There's no real benefit to waiting until an enemy is low on health as it just delays the amount of time before you can start refilling the gauge again ^^
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  6. #8536
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    Violyre's Avatar
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    Adamantoise
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    Warrior Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Knahli View Post
    Though one thing POSSIBLY to their credit that strikes me is, if you waited until 20% before LB'ing then it does make it more unlikely that you'd have gotten LB2 in time, at least not until after the point that even a LB1 would have finished the final boss off. There's no real benefit to waiting until an enemy is low on health as it just delays the amount of time before you can start refilling the gauge again ^^
    We did end up with LB2 for the final boss, and early enough that it didn't just die when it was used. I even made a snippy remark in response when we hit the full bar, which is where I learned they meant to use two LBs.

    The whole thing is just insane. I really wonder if someone's made an Eorzean version of Punk'd.
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    Last edited by Violyre; 03-20-2017 at 04:55 AM.

  7. #8537
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    bardaboo's Avatar
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    Kochie Monster
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    Cactuar
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    Bard Lv 60
    Yeah it's called PoT ' D
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  8. #8538
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    EdwinLi's Avatar
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    Edwin Li
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    Balmung
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    Machinist Lv 100
    After seeing a Tank fail in DF around 3 times already I decided to make a Joke.

    Me: Guess he could not Tank the heat.

    Tank: Really? A Pun?

    Me: You prefer I type screaming words while constantly typing profanity at how many times you died already?

    Tank: Point taken.
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  9. #8539
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    LalaRu's Avatar
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    Mi An
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    Phantom
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    Paladin Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by Knahli View Post
    ... maybe they meant that you were supposed to save your LB so you got a LB2 for the boss?...
    Lb2 on last boss is useful to be able kill it to skip the third aerial and kill her before it, it may have sense save lb for that.
    But, if on previous boss there is risk of a wipe, I'll save nothing and do what it must be done.
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  10. #8540
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    SilkaN's Avatar
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    Reginaux Vannaire
    World
    Ragnarok
    Main Class
    Ninja Lv 80
    I had to tank again. As Ninja.
    This time it was Hullbreaker HM.
    The tank just gave up eventually and stayed in Deliverance.

    Their iLevel was lower than mine, but even I can hold aggro as a 256 tank when there are DPS with 270 around.
    This guy was just lazy. Or new. Or both.
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