Split SCH and SMN already! The poblems are just going to keep increasing!!!

[Silver-Strider]

I never had a issue with SCH at all during any stage of the leveling process.
Poison Dragon of Brayflox and the Worm of Cutters Cry were the only times I've ever needed to use Selene for her purge ability but that's a positive thing as it made you learn to use your fairy's abilities wisely instead of keeping them on auto pilot all the time.

I do agree that SMN and SCH should be split, stat-wise, but really that's the only thing I agree with in this thread.

[Serilda]

Why are you demanding Leeches at 15 when neither of the other healers get their versions until 18? SCH gets its MP restore mechanic really early compared to WHM, for example, and has a way easier time during certain encounters as a result.

Don't get me wrong, I love SCH myself and think some things do need changing (the entire bonus stat points mechanic is a massive waste of time since everyone either picks the correct stat mindlessly or sucks; it adds nothing to the game and should be removed from all classes entirely along with other pointless stuff like elemental resistance scores). But Leeches? Books? Those things don't bother me at all. Leeches will likely be adjusted automatically anyway with the changes in SB, as will the other healer abilities to homogenise and balance them all better.

In the meantime, every fledgling SCH has gone through the same thing, just like every fledgling WHM who hits a wall in Brayflox when too many silly melee players stand in too much bad stuff and drain all of their MP away a couple of levels before they can restore it naturally. Ethers exist for that. Items exist for SCHs who desperately need to mimic Esuna too (or they can just heal through it all). It doesn't seem like a huge issue.

[Ama_Hamada]

Why are you demanding Leeches at 15 when neither of the other healers get their versions until 18? SCH gets its MP restore mechanic really early compared to WHM, for example, and has a way easier time during certain encounters as a result.Don't get me wrong, I love SCH myself and think some things do need changing (the entire bonus stat points mechanic is a massive waste of time since everyone either picks the correct stat mindlessly or sucks; it adds nothing to the game and should be removed from all classes entirely along with other pointless stuff like elemental resistance scores). But Leeches? Books? Those things don't bother me at all. Leeches will likely be adjusted automatically anyway with the changes in SB, as will the other healer abilities to homogenise and balance them all better.

In the meantime, every fledgling SCH has gone through the same thing, just like every fledgling WHM who hits a wall in Brayflox when too many silly melee players stand in too much bad stuff and drain all of their MP away a couple of levels before they can restore it naturally. Ethers exist for that. Items exist for SCHs who desperately need to mimic Esuna too (or they can just heal through it all). It doesn't seem like a huge issue.

Why? esuna is 16 (should be 15 when you enter your first DF, no reason not to be available. AST gets theirs, SCH suffers because of the outdated system 1.0 gave us. It should been tossed out in 2.0 because it is simply outdated and does not work for the current game. Same with needing clerics like you said, likely be on the list for the stormblood changes.

People care about glams, there is no reason 3 different "jobs" should be using the same weapon because of an outdated idea from 1.0

[PArcher]

Why? esuna is 16 (should be 15 when you enter your first DF, no reason not to be available. AST gets theirs, SCH suffers because of the outdated system 1.0 gave us. It should been tossed out in 2.0 because it is simply outdated and does not work for the current game. Same with needing clerics like you said, likely be on the list for the stormblood changes.

People care about glams, there is no reason 3 different "jobs" should be using the same weapon because of an outdated idea from 1.0

Its 18 for both

Source: Just switched jobs in-game

[Serilda]

Why? esuna is 16 (should be 15 when you enter your first DF, no reason not to be available. AST gets theirs, SCH suffers because of the outdated system 1.0 gave us.

I'm pretty sure Esuna is level 18. Meanwhile, AST and SCH get their MP refresh abilities early, where's WHM's? Oh, level 38. And AST and SCH get their shielding, where's WHM's to let them cheese mechanics that groups with only WHMs can't skip? And where's WHM's party damage increase abilities? And even though Esuna comes earlier than Leeches, Selene can save tons of time and MP with her AoE version. I think WHM and AST need to get the same ability too at the same level as SCH to make everything fair.

The healers were never created equal. It doesn't make any sense to buff SCH for a couple of easy low level dungeons when SCHs have been successfully solo healing them for years and level 60 balance is more important. The other healers have drawbacks in other ways that SCH doesn't at various points in the low level crawl to 60.

[SendohJin]

i don't mind if they are split but if the problems are going to keep increasing what problems occurred because of Heavensward?

the 3 you listed never bothered me.

[DaikiKiyoshi]

Let's not forget the fact that if the rest of your party is competent and doesn't take avoidable damage you can LITERALLY set your SCH to auto-follow the tank and let your fairy solo heal every dungeon through level 40 with ease while you go watch Netflix or cook dinner. I would know, I've done so. With a premade of course, before the healer dps crowd sacrifices me at the altar of Cleric Stance. SCH is literally the easiest and safest healer in the game to use and if you are having difficulty with low level content as a SCH may I humbly suggest that you may need to 'git gud'.

[Kazrah]

So one thing to point out is that if SCH and SMN aren't split with the mechanics changes coming to 4.0, they'll DEFINITELY get split in 5.0 when the base classes are removed.

Another thing to point out as well: isn't the whole theme about SCH knowing stuff? I mean, that's what makes them scholarly, right? Knowing the most basic battle tactics to the most advanced strategies throughout history, that is the purpose of the SCH as far as lore, which I think is also reflected in how SCH plays. To know how to play with the unique circumstances that are present with the job; that is what it takes to play a SCH. Yes, that could be said of any job, but no other job has that mentality built into the job quite like SCH does, and I think anyone who is leveling that job needs to bear that in mind.

[Seniade]

People are having problems with SCH on pre-40 dungeons? At launch, I started in Ul'dah and switched to ACN once I got to Limsa and did the SCH quest when I hit 30 and have mained it since. The only dungeon that was a struggle on SCH was Aurum Vale, because back at launch the stacking effects of the 1st and last bosses also affected your pet but eating the fruit didn't cure the pet.

Also, Selene didn't have the AOE cleanse back then either.

Either learn to adapt or switch to WHM/AST.

[SaitoHikari]

I leveled all three healers to 60, and Scholar was by far the easiest at all level ranges simply because Eos could simply solo heal by herself while I parked myself in Cleric Stance for 90% of the dungeon. Sounds like some people in this thread never figured out how to use Rouse or Whispering Dawn.

Either way, I agree that both jobs need to be completely split from each other, but for entirely different reasons. The way I currently feel, the Arcanist class was created with Scholar being the focus, with Summoner being tacked on later. A split opens up room for Summoner to behave closer to being an actual Summoner, instead of an awkward poison-debuffing class with pets. I've even drafted up a proposal of how Summoner could get overhauled if this were to happen, though be aware I don't actually play Summoner.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/hfuyzt5reh...rhaul.rtf?dl=0