Gear now in 1.19?

[Physic]

honestly imo, pugilist gear is currently probably incomplete, but going by what they have now, the suggestions are decent.
Its mostly going to come down to materia, but even with as much defense as you can slot, youll probably be -90 defense from a a lancer. Far as Evasion, they dont have a high level version of the shirt, and a lot of the peices that boosted evasion are no longer boosting evasion unless you go dated. no evasion belts, hands, etc.

[SynysterBlitz]

honestly imo, pugilist gear is currently probably incomplete, but going by what they have now, the suggestions are decent.
Its mostly going to come down to materia, but even with as much defense as you can slot, youll probably be -90 defense from a a lancer. Far as Evasion, they dont have a high level version of the shirt, and a lot of the peices that boosted evasion are no longer boosting evasion unless you go dated. no evasion belts, hands, etc.

PUG Can be geared for many situations, the suggestions we have been giving are strictly from dd perspectives.. you can get a very high HP pool on PUG, Materia makes several builds maxing or mix/matching.. whatever your playstyle is needed or what your group needs..

PUG's Materia can be HP, Def+, Eva+,+MP, +Enmity.. You have to specialize in the type of materia your playstyle will fit, currently MRDs tank everything due to pre much everything being AoEable.. and pre much need AoE to clear large groups of mobs quickly.. as far as LNC or MRD having more defense, might need some Def+ to make up for the fact that we wear light armor compared to there heavy armor.. would definately need certain MRD and GLD Skills to be a truly effective tank tho ..

But ya I do not think PUG is ready for a Main tank role yet, altho it is possible w/ certain skills and Materia, but obviously everyone isn't going to have access to everything.. I plan on making a Tank Build (HP+ and Eva+) and ill see how that goes on the Stronghold nms etc

[Viridiana]

But ya I do not think PUG is ready for a Main tank role yet, altho it is possible w/ certain skills and Materia, but obviously everyone isn't going to have access to everything.. I plan on making a Tank Build (HP+ and Eva+) and ill see how that goes on the Stronghold nms etc

Don't believe we'll be considered a tanking class from here on out, at least not by the Dev team. If I'm not very much mistaken, the +Enmity gear won't socket to our weapons, but will to GLA and MRD weapons. If nothing else, it's a rather heavy implication that we're not tanks anymore.

[Vackashken]

Don't believe we'll be considered a tanking class from here on out, at least not by the Dev team. If I'm not very much mistaken, the +Enmity gear won't socket to our weapons, but will to GLA and MRD weapons. If nothing else, it's a rather heavy implication that we're not tanks anymore.

I'm not completely sold on that because of all the evasion gear we get. Our dodging for the most part is meaningless if we don't have hate. If its not directed at us we can't use our counter skills except for errand AoEs we dodge.

Dunno...

[Bigcatman]

I'm not completely sold on that because of all the evasion gear we get. Our dodging for the most part is meaningless if we don't have hate. If its not directed at us we can't use our counter skills except for errand AoEs we dodge.

Dunno...

That's why they gave us taunt, it allows us to have guaranteed hate for a small period of time to get our counter skills off. Battles don't really last too long anyway for us to make use of evasion skills in a group, but if you're interested in it you could grab war drum, pop presence of mind, deck yourself in evasion gear and see what happens lol. Unless they give MNK some hate tools, they're sending a clear message about our future as a class/job.

Besides, our high evasion and gear choices doesn't necessarily point towards tanking, SOMEONE has to have high evasion

[Vackashken]

That's why they gave us taunt, it allows us to have guaranteed hate for a small period of time to get our counter skills off. Battles don't really last too long anyway for us to make use of evasion skills in a group, but if you're interested in it you could grab war drum, pop presence of mind, deck yourself in evasion gear and see what happens lol. Unless they give MNK some hate tools, they're sending a clear message about our future as a class/job.

Besides, our high evasion and gear choices doesn't necessarily point towards tanking, SOMEONE has to have high evasion

Dunno, just don't agree - it would be far too coincidental. It would be pointless to have all these evasion attacks to use them only once in a blue moon when you can steal hate for a second with a taunt. Never mind the fact it would screw so very much up in the cohesion of the fight. I am speaking of longer fights (NM, Ogre, Ifrit, etc), btw.

That said it could just be in my head because I enjoyed tanking on pug. I still think its meant to be a quasi tank class - or should I say hope?

[Bigcatman]

I'd love for us to be a viable tank, but who knows what the new dev team has in mind for us. It's pretty clear that the old dev team wanted us to be a viable tank somehow, but with the new direction, who knows? They certainly didn't give us much means of gathering hate, hell, even GLA can't hold hate against many mobs. I don't think we'll really know what to do as far as gear and specialization until all of the combat and class/job changes culminate.

[AlphaDragoon]

I personally am VERY happy Pugilists are going the DD route, as my dislike for being a low DPS tank is the main reason I switched from Gladiator to Pugilist as my main class.

[Physic]

Dunno, just don't agree - it would be far too coincidental. It would be pointless to have all these evasion attacks to use them only once in a blue moon when you can steal hate for a second with a taunt. Never mind the fact it would screw so very much up in the cohesion of the fight. I am speaking of longer fights (NM, Ogre, Ifrit, etc), btw.

That said it could just be in my head because I enjoyed tanking on pug. I still think its meant to be a quasi tank class - or should I say hope?

this is an issue, no matter how you slice it, countering is a part of monk, and yet if we never get hate how do we counter? taunt is decent, but lets be honest its on a 45 second cool down.

Uhhhh its not really coming together as well as before, our defense is comparitively a lot lower than before, and our evasion hasnt gone up. All the evasion gear we can get, can be used by virtyally every other class, so, we re not really more evasive, except for 8 out every 30 seconds. Anyhow, i noticed when partied with a lnc, they were able to take dmg just as well, with pure defense, The sad part, is i think pugilist tanking, is probably its best DD, if its an evasion build that is. haymaker is sick.

[Vackashken]

The sad part, is i think pugilist tanking, is probably its best DD, if its an evasion build that is. haymaker is sick.

That is in part what I mean. We have a lot of counter attacks now we can really "spam" (if you will) so it just seems something is there. Dunno, again its wishful thinking on my part.

On a side note: I didn't even realize we're on the same server.