Gear now in 1.19?

[Viridiana]

But ya I do not think PUG is ready for a Main tank role yet, altho it is possible w/ certain skills and Materia, but obviously everyone isn't going to have access to everything.. I plan on making a Tank Build (HP+ and Eva+) and ill see how that goes on the Stronghold nms etc

Don't believe we'll be considered a tanking class from here on out, at least not by the Dev team. If I'm not very much mistaken, the +Enmity gear won't socket to our weapons, but will to GLA and MRD weapons. If nothing else, it's a rather heavy implication that we're not tanks anymore.

[Vackashken]

Don't believe we'll be considered a tanking class from here on out, at least not by the Dev team. If I'm not very much mistaken, the +Enmity gear won't socket to our weapons, but will to GLA and MRD weapons. If nothing else, it's a rather heavy implication that we're not tanks anymore.

I'm not completely sold on that because of all the evasion gear we get. Our dodging for the most part is meaningless if we don't have hate. If its not directed at us we can't use our counter skills except for errand AoEs we dodge.

Dunno...

[Bigcatman]

I'm not completely sold on that because of all the evasion gear we get. Our dodging for the most part is meaningless if we don't have hate. If its not directed at us we can't use our counter skills except for errand AoEs we dodge.

Dunno...

That's why they gave us taunt, it allows us to have guaranteed hate for a small period of time to get our counter skills off. Battles don't really last too long anyway for us to make use of evasion skills in a group, but if you're interested in it you could grab war drum, pop presence of mind, deck yourself in evasion gear and see what happens lol. Unless they give MNK some hate tools, they're sending a clear message about our future as a class/job.

Besides, our high evasion and gear choices doesn't necessarily point towards tanking, SOMEONE has to have high evasion

[Vackashken]

That's why they gave us taunt, it allows us to have guaranteed hate for a small period of time to get our counter skills off. Battles don't really last too long anyway for us to make use of evasion skills in a group, but if you're interested in it you could grab war drum, pop presence of mind, deck yourself in evasion gear and see what happens lol. Unless they give MNK some hate tools, they're sending a clear message about our future as a class/job.

Besides, our high evasion and gear choices doesn't necessarily point towards tanking, SOMEONE has to have high evasion

Dunno, just don't agree - it would be far too coincidental. It would be pointless to have all these evasion attacks to use them only once in a blue moon when you can steal hate for a second with a taunt. Never mind the fact it would screw so very much up in the cohesion of the fight. I am speaking of longer fights (NM, Ogre, Ifrit, etc), btw.

That said it could just be in my head because I enjoyed tanking on pug. I still think its meant to be a quasi tank class - or should I say hope?

[Physic]

Dunno, just don't agree - it would be far too coincidental. It would be pointless to have all these evasion attacks to use them only once in a blue moon when you can steal hate for a second with a taunt. Never mind the fact it would screw so very much up in the cohesion of the fight. I am speaking of longer fights (NM, Ogre, Ifrit, etc), btw.

That said it could just be in my head because I enjoyed tanking on pug. I still think its meant to be a quasi tank class - or should I say hope?

this is an issue, no matter how you slice it, countering is a part of monk, and yet if we never get hate how do we counter? taunt is decent, but lets be honest its on a 45 second cool down.

Uhhhh its not really coming together as well as before, our defense is comparitively a lot lower than before, and our evasion hasnt gone up. All the evasion gear we can get, can be used by virtyally every other class, so, we re not really more evasive, except for 8 out every 30 seconds. Anyhow, i noticed when partied with a lnc, they were able to take dmg just as well, with pure defense, The sad part, is i think pugilist tanking, is probably its best DD, if its an evasion build that is. haymaker is sick.

[Vackashken]

The sad part, is i think pugilist tanking, is probably its best DD, if its an evasion build that is. haymaker is sick.

That is in part what I mean. We have a lot of counter attacks now we can really "spam" (if you will) so it just seems something is there. Dunno, again its wishful thinking on my part.

On a side note: I didn't even realize we're on the same server.