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    Quote Originally Posted by Welsper59 View Post
    If you openly acknowledge an understanding of gear becoming obsolete (or in the context of the topic, no longer BiS), then how is it so shocking to see gear become obsolete? You literally state you know it'll happen and accept it.
    This is easy to answer, it is about pre-expectations and forumla. Back in 3.4 they released creator savage and updated the endgame ilvl to 275, this was expected. What is also expected is that in June, the level cap will go up and new content will be released, thus invalidating the current ilvl. Think of it this way, doing raid is almost like signing a contract, it states that "by doing this content you should acknowledge that the reward that you will get from it will only be best for this current gear cycle, which is 2 patches long" people acknowledge that fact and sign away on that reality BEFORE they do the content. Diadem breaks formula, it is something not within the contract that changes the reward structure, and the knowledge of its rewards came after lots of people already have the raid weapon and relic.

    In a game in which gear becomes obsolete, especially one as predictable as XIV, it is important for the devs to be mindful about shifting reward goalposts. People are "salty" because the expectation when people set out to collect these rewards is that they would at least last until the expansion, Diadem was SE breaking their contract, so to speak (don't take the contract analogy to mean legally binding btw, I don't want people to be like "dont be so melodramatic, SE can do what they like, it's not illegal").

    I think one of the sad things about this is how important these expectations are. We need to have these expectations, a rough timeframe in which our rewards will be relevant, because being caught off guard like this, having the endgame goalpost randomly change with seemingly no structure really shows how worthless these "temporary" rewards are in general, and our expectations help the rewards retain their value.

    Quote Originally Posted by Welsper59 View Post
    Yet... it wasn't much of a problem. People generally understood that this is the norm leading up to the launch of an expansion. Some complained, but again, it's obvious they just didn't understand that. Did that raining of exceptional gear affect anything? Nope. Some people probably don't even remember it now.
    This is a temporary thing, yes, once stormblood is released people will forget about it, but that doesn't make the decision any less reckless and stupid. Despite the essays worth of material that I have poured into the thread, I actually don't care about the weapon, and I care even less about Diadem as a piece of content; what I care about is reward balance, and what I see here is a glaring fault with a reward system that has been progressively getting worse. People can say that this will be forgotten so it doesn't matter, but I have seen consistancy of risk/reward going downhill since 3.1 and this is a step too far for me, this will not go away in Stormblood.

    Quote Originally Posted by Welsper59 View Post
    The mere fact that people are enraged by that "calm down" statement is hilarious and evidence of that "fragile pride" that I mentioned. It really is destructive for people like that to behave the way they do because of a couple harmless words. It literally comes off like those "Don't tell me to calm down, YOU CALM DOWN!!!!" type of moments lol. It's a sign of removal of most/all rational thought.
    People are enraged about that for two reasons: A) It offers no explanation as to why the content is designed this way, which is a question that desperately needs answering (see my post about this benefitting nobody), and B) he followed it up with the false statement of "Anima is still better" sending the message that he has no idea what he is talking about.

    Ultimately the internet will be the internet and there is an element of hyperbole, but the fact is that Yoshi P seemed to ignore very valid concerns and told us to "calm down" is nothing more than a shut down to a community of loyal players who feel disregarded by this mis-step. Also, I'd like to clarify... does your statement of rationality apply to me? Because I am doing my very best to explain game design theory, player psycology and sheer common sense in a rational manner, and saying "people are just being irrational" kinda hurts your argument from my perspective.
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    Last edited by Lambdafish; 03-17-2017 at 10:39 PM.