Harassing Healers - or: Please allow Parsers

[Llus]

For the 882,311,528st time AGGRO METERS ARE NOT A GOOD INDICATOR OF INDIVIDUAL DPS. Every DPS that isn't Monk has some form of aggro dump that they SHOULD be using regularly. Furthermore all of the DPS can look "normal" on the aggro meter and still be grossly under-performing for their jobs.

Stop spreading this nonsense about DPS without parsing already!

This this this this this absolutely this! Aggro meter is aggro meter; not a DPS meter. Skills that don't damage enemies also generate hate. Swiftcast: hate generated, Foe Req: hate generated, Mantra: hate generated, ANY heal including self-heals: hate generated. If you're using the aggro meter as a DPS meter (and especially if that's why you don't use your aggro dump tools) you're completely wrong. I can easily generate a ton of hate as DPS without hitting a mob once.

[Llus]

When mobs die faster because healer's dps, there is something terribly wrong with the dps guys you have in party.

Uhhh, what? So, mobs should die faster when healers don't DPS? Kinda confused here, when did AFKing between heals increase group DPS?

[Llus]

^ this.

FWIW -if- there had to be a way to visibly see your dps, it ought to be on Stone Sky Sea as a post-trial report ... something like "you took n time to deal x damage, for an average y dps."

http://ffxiv.2digitalgames.de/

[KokonoeAiyoko]

AFKing between heals

"AFKing between heals"

Yep, I'm done with these topics. lol

[Dualgunner]

This this this this this absolutely this! Aggro meter is aggro meter; not a DPS meter. Skills that don't damage enemies also generate hate. Swiftcast: hate generated, Foe Req: hate generated, Mantra: hate generated, ANY heal including self-heals: hate generated. If you're using the aggro meter as a DPS meter (and especially if that's why you don't use your aggro dump tools) you're completely wrong. I can easily generate a ton of hate as DPS without hitting a mob once.

While all this sentiment is true and I agree with it, I have to admit I don't use Dragoon's aggro dump because it kills my dps (due to massive distance between me and the boss I want dead) and, in some cases, me lol. Maybe if DRG's aggro dump didn't propel them 30 some yalms from the boss it'd be more useful.

[Adire]

When mobs die faster because healer's dps, there is something terribly wrong with the dps guys you have in party.

Even with good DDs, healer DPS considerably speeds up the run. Everyone wins when no one is being lazy or apathetic.

[Dualgunner]

Even with good DDs, healer DPS considerably speeds up the run. Everyone wins when no one is being lazy or apathetic.

To add, I believe I heard this quote on the forum:

"A healer adding decent dps is a bigger addition to dps than if all the dps in the party were to go from 50th percentile to 90th percentile" (and I'm given to understand 90th percentile + is really just padded dps)

[Faliandra]

my g/f has the same issues and it stresses her out. She uses all her cd well imo, and still end up sitting at under 50% hp, and because people run around with mobs, drains mo at every pull. 90% of each pull she uses the mp/hp rotation.

this like this make her feel like she is a bad player, something she dealt with in ff11 when playing rdm. She told me they called her bad for being a melee caster/buffer instead of playing as a mp/hp battery. :/

I'm just trying my best to be a good boyfriend and stick up for her, and stick up for people who get stressed out because of people in the "healers must dps" threads. I have yet seen a thread about bad dps, it is always mentors, tanks and healers.

I comforted my g/f who became stressed out during her weeping city run, she died a lot and became very upset. Had to leave the run at ozama because she was crying her eyes out, due to fear her mistakes were going to give her hate. Her alliance was very silent, and her group wasn't very helpful

She was in group A who ran every which way, and it was very chaotic. At some parts they just didn't raise her :/

It is threads and mindsets like this causing her stress, you guys may not realize it, but you do come off as bully or harassing. If you want to play with people that meet a certain criteria... please make friends of like minded individuals, and group up, and don't even dare try to strawman flipping it back of us needing to do it. the "i'm rubber your glue" mindset is childish.

if the jp community can be organized we can.

Sorry bud, but I dont buy your stories.

You're constantly portraying your gf as the poor victim, who does everything properly rotationwise and puts in so so much effort,
yet everyone else is a harassing bully for not helping her or not ressing her etc etc etc.

If she died a lot, then its probably not worth ressing her. You realize how much MP gets wasted by REPEATEDLY ressing someone during a fight?
+ that person wont even contribute much because they will be at -30% weakness and probably die again before the weakness wears off.

If everyone is calling her bad etc...then that might just be it. Your gf may put effort, but she might still be really bad.
Even if shes using her skills, she may be using them wrong. Even if a healer heals a lot, he may be using the wrong skills at the wrong time, or worse, may be REALLY SLOW.
I'm usually already casting my second heal spell by the time the other healer STARTS to cast a heal even THOUGH I do stance dance and dps a fair bit.

I'm not here to mock her or you,but honestly. Ive read so many posts by you that can basically be summed up with "Gf gets stressed and called bad for putting effort and everyone else is a bully"
Nope, sir, nope. We only know your side of the story and I just dont buy that. Im starting to think shes one of those bad players who doesnt wanna realize shes bad....or simply thinks that everyone HAS to put up with her
despite being bad.

[Llus]

"AFKing between heals"

Yep, I'm done with these topics. lol

Yep, AFKing between heals.

Mandervilledancing through the entire dungeon with regens
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jBgMe5uHPsE&t=1041s

Lots of dead healers (included an awesome war soloing a boss, a badass DRK with 2 dps and the obligatory BLM physick healer)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dp9mzOxbSJ0&t=67s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4wzRzzHNbao
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jb-rN3nUqF8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xNImTBgYMco
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AdrPDFfsaZs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ne0Urr-kKR0

And of course this is what happens if you're an awesome god healer:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bB_MAO5yPw8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cqQ0_aqLmRI

[Llus]

While all this sentiment is true and I agree with it, I have to admit I don't use Dragoon's aggro dump because it kills my dps (due to massive distance between me and the boss I want dead) and, in some cases, me lol. Maybe if DRG's aggro dump didn't propel them 30 some yalms from the boss it'd be more useful.

I can forgive that because DRG elusive jump sucks balls sometimes; but I've run with DRGs who time their elusive and spineshatter to get right back on it and dump aggro. First time I saw a DRG do that; I was massively impressed because most of the time when I'd seen a DRG elusive, they'd jump into a death wall or off the edge of a platform >.<