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  1. #11
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zarvlad View Post
    Grade 5 Dark Matter: 3500 Gil
    Tier 5 NPC repair: 5000 Gil

    As you may have just discovered, cheaper repair cost is also the reason why you should go with Player repairs.

    If OP's idea would go through then NPC repair would become the norm.
    NPC repair is the norm now. And usually it ends up being cheaper than player repairs.. Unless I'm repairing myself, you generally have to offer AT LEAST the matter plus some kind of reward (I usually just offer another piece of the matter used for the repair - one for the repair, and one for the crafter afterwards). But unless you aren't offering the crafter any type of reward.. NPC repairs usually always come out cheaper now.
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    Repair NPC is not broken at all. consider the cost to fix a weapon when player does it, lets say a level 40+ item, it's equal to the cost of a Dark Matter 5 no matter how damaged it is. Same as the NPC.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Molly_Millions View Post
    Repair NPC is not broken at all. consider the cost to fix a weapon when player does it, lets say a level 40+ item, it's equal to the cost of a Dark Matter 5 no matter how damaged it is. Same as the NPC.
    So what you are saying is that the NPC is not broken the actual repair mechanic is.. Hmm yea I do see that point !

    As someone else pointed out, the only reason to get player repairs is to get the item at 100% so you can sell it, and what with Materia conversion now that is almost non existent.

    I see no reason why SE shouldn't phase player repairs out all together, F11 didn't do it, no other MMO I can think of does it, its just a hassle and a waste of timer.
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    Last edited by Jinko; 10-22-2011 at 12:42 AM.

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    people here arguing otherwise must be real cheap people in that they dont offer a reward for the services. i dont know any repair person that just accepts the dark matter and thats it. More often then not i just get skipped over if i do that so 3.5k for dark matter +5k reward, which seems to be the minimum, = More expensive then npc repairs. You also have to wait a lot longer if you dont have a friend all ready to do it for you. There really is very little argument here that the whole repair system is a little whacked out. People are either going to the npc or doing it themselves, and in the occasion they can't do it themselves they only look for players if they want to sell the item. So something needs to change in some way to rectify this.
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  5. #15
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    Well, i dont like how easy it is buying of retainer :P I synthed in wards (never again) just like that she went out of synth mode, and enter + enter, different reainers, oneclick button, no "ok" or anything, whoops, i am 3 mill gil poorer. For one of those that didnt get to exploit gil early, thats kinda much actually..
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    That sucks for you guys who can't get repairs for 1 repair mat. Ultimately, what that means is that your party members who do have high enough crafting classes would rather have you in the party gimping everyone than loose out on some profit.

    rofl
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    Oren Ishii
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    I don't see anything wrong with them adding a repair all option. Sounds like a good idea.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Azurus View Post
    people here arguing otherwise must be real cheap people in that they dont offer a reward for the services. i dont know any repair person that just accepts the dark matter and thats it. More often then not i just get skipped over if i do that so 3.5k for dark matter +5k reward, which seems to be the minimum, = More expensive then npc repairs. You also have to wait a lot longer if you dont have a friend all ready to do it for you. There really is very little argument here that the whole repair system is a little whacked out. People are either going to the npc or doing it themselves, and in the occasion they can't do it themselves they only look for players if they want to sell the item. So something needs to change in some way to rectify this.
    You just made me really glad I don't play on your server. On Lindblum, 5k total seems to be the standard, which means it's pretty much up to the player how they want to be repaired.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Azurus View Post
    people here arguing otherwise must be real cheap people in that they dont offer a reward for the services. i dont know any repair person that just accepts the dark matter and thats it. More often then not i just get skipped over if i do that so 3.5k for dark matter +5k reward, which seems to be the minimum, = More expensive then npc repairs. You also have to wait a lot longer if you dont have a friend all ready to do it for you. There really is very little argument here that the whole repair system is a little whacked out. People are either going to the npc or doing it themselves, and in the occasion they can't do it themselves they only look for players if they want to sell the item. So something needs to change in some way to rectify this.
    This could vary from server to server, and might also the hours which you log on/seek repair. My server is always swarmed with crafters and so seeking repair is very easy. When hanging out in town, I always see people repairing stuff left and right.

    While agreeing with you that to not offer proper amount of gil for repair reward is bad, your statement that people who only offer the gil or the material to cover the repair are real cheap is not essentially true. Many people have friends or acquaintance repair stuff for them and they often refuse to take extra money. Chances are we exchange services, I repair yours, you repair mine, for example, so there's no need to overcharge or overpay. If it's a passer-by crafter, they (and also I) will look and see the offer, then decide whether or not to repair based on the offer. So yeah the "cheap" offer will be taken care of by the mean of supply-demand in itself.

    Also, contrary to your belief, I am one of many crafters who're willing to repair when offered just the correct Dark Matter. This is partly because I like the free EXP from repairing. And of course, I don't want repair NPC to get too buffed or beefed up, because then everyone will always use NPC when in town. I'll be out of business!!! XD

    And sorry to say, but I agree with Molly. Since we don't have the option to be "Oh! This gear is only half broken, I'll use half a fraction of dark matter, no need to use the whole of it," I think NPC repair is fine as it is.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aleczan View Post
    I beg to differ. I still make use of player repairs everyday, either by repairing my own gear or having friends repair mine. Moreover, NPC won't follow me out there into the field (I go far away from Aetheryte camp), in caves, or in dungeons. And seeing how they changed player repair so that we don't have to look for repair material anymore, but it gets put into the synthesis box automatically, player repair is not "pain in the ass." Dark Matters are also usually cheaper than paying the NPC, and we can also get free Dark Matters from gathering, treasure chest, or LQ reward, which reduce the cost even further. So nope, player repair is not pointless.
    Not to mention, you sometimes save the repair material too, basically making it almost free, aside from time of course.
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