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  1. #91
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    Hunky's Avatar
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    Rajesh Anand
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    DPS players being bad at their job is a different issue.

    It's irrelevant to healer dps. It doesn't matter if your dps team members are dealing minimal or maximum amounts of dps. As long as things are going well (nobody's taking constant, unnecessary damage, failing mechanics, etc), and healing isn't required, it is efficient to dps. Is it a shame that those dps players are dealing minimum damage? Yes, and that's something they need to work on. Doesn't mean you can't try to contribute.

    I'm mentioning this because some of you are caught up with the whole "well, dps players need to do their job right so I wouldn't have to dps". This isn't about dps players. This is about improving yourself as a healer who can offer more to their group than just the minimum.

    The current state of the game doesn't require much healing, and provides ample opportunities for healers to dps (when things are going well enough).

    Some of you might say, "well I can't always dps because I get matched up with awful players who mess up mechanics and can't avoid aoes."

    If you can't dps as a healer because the rest of your team is constantly taking damage, getting hit by avoidable aoes, messing up mechanics, etc., then it's not your fault.

    That's a problem with your team members, not yourself.

    But that's not what this argument is about. Nobody's saying, "you need to be dpsing 100% of the time and if you aren't then you're a terrible subpar player."

    Of course there will be times when you can't dps. And it would be unfair to ask healers to dps during these times. It's happened to me too. I've had to stop dpsing because things happened unexpectedly.

    And even as you're dpsing, you still gotta reapply regen, cast esuna, watch out for your team's health, things like that.

    There will be times where there is a ton of unavoidable damage that you have to heal through. And there will be times when you head into eight-man content and one healer needs to focus totally on healing so that the other healer can focus totally on dpsing. All this is fine and understandable.

    We all agree that healing is our number one job, and yes, we should stop dpsing when healing is required. But for the times when healing is not required, dpsing would be a better use of time.

    And I would just like to add:

    Choosing to dps as a healer doesn't mean you're choosing to neglect your role as a healer. When I've played tank and dps, I've never run into healers who refuse to heal and only want to dps. On the contrary, healers who dps try their best to balance both dpsing and healing, because they understand what their job is fully capable of.

    Choosing to dps as a healer means choosing to go above and beyond, to do more than just the minimum, to strive to become a better player, not just for others but for yourself.

    The same cannot be said for healers who choose to stay idle during situations where dpsing would be safe and efficient. Not with the way the game is now. Because this is not the kind of game where healing is scripted to be constantly required.
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    Last edited by Hunky; 03-17-2017 at 06:59 AM.

  2. #92
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    JunseiKei's Avatar
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    Xoria Tepes
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    All this thread is making me want to do is stand around and just heal and not DPS like I normally do. I want to see just how often I get yelled at, if at all.

    Seriously, my curiosity is getting the better of me.
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  3. #93
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    Quote Originally Posted by JunseiKei View Post
    All this thread is making me want to do is stand around and just heal and not DPS like I normally do. I want to see just how often I get yelled at, if at all.

    Seriously, my curiosity is getting the better of me.
    while i would never call out a healer not DPS'ing in chat, that doesn't stop the judging lol.
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  4. #94
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mikaeus_The_Lunarch View Post
    while i would never call out a healer not DPS'ing in chat, that doesn't stop the judging lol.
    Lol I know.

    Husband stuck at work for 16 hours:


    TBH, I'd probably forget at some point and start DPSing.
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    Last edited by JunseiKei; 03-17-2017 at 07:12 AM.
    9.23.2019 [11:15 p.m.]Total Play Time: 1552 days, 0 hours, 0 minutes - You'll be hard-pressed to find a more cynical person than me.
    Quote Originally Posted by Odstarva View Post
    You people are never happy.
    [...] You complain and complain and complain.

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    Gemina Lunarian
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    We don't need parsers for players to be kind and respect one another. Healers who respect the time of others, don't idle for 10+ seconds, and as result, usually don't get "harassed".
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  6. #96
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    Quote Originally Posted by JunseiKei View Post
    All this thread is making me want to do is stand around and just heal and not DPS like I normally do. I want to see just how often I get yelled at, if at all.

    Seriously, my curiosity is getting the better of me.
    Yeah, I wouldn't say anything personally, I tend to keep my thoughts to myself. Silently judging you. would it be annoying? yes. Will I think you're lazy? Oh yes. Will I commendate? Def not. Will I stay in DPS stance as a tank for longer? Well, why not... the healer is healing only.
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  7. #97
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    Y'sira Kurai
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    Quote Originally Posted by JunseiKei View Post
    All this thread is making me want to do is stand around and just heal and not DPS like I normally do. I want to see just how often I get yelled at, if at all.

    Seriously, my curiosity is getting the better of me.
    I df tons of duties, it's rarely a problem. Now here in the land of wonders, the forum, it's always a problem.
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  8. #98
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lilseph View Post
    Yeah, I wouldn't say anything personally, I tend to keep my thoughts to myself. Silently judging you. would it be annoying? yes. Will I think you're lazy? Oh yes. Will I commendate? Def not. Will I stay in DPS stance as a tank for longer? Well, why not... the healer is healing only.
    To be fair...! :| All my tanks as of late have been in DPS stance and popping no cooldowns even as I try to DPS, so go for it!
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    9.23.2019 [11:15 p.m.]Total Play Time: 1552 days, 0 hours, 0 minutes - You'll be hard-pressed to find a more cynical person than me.
    Quote Originally Posted by Odstarva View Post
    You people are never happy.
    [...] You complain and complain and complain.

  9. #99
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    Arctura Fengari
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    Can we just stop threads like these. Clearly it's not going to change anything.
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  10. #100
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    Kaethra Tatrinae
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aquaslash View Post
    For the 882,311,528st time AGGRO METERS ARE NOT A GOOD INDICATOR OF INDIVIDUAL DPS. Every DPS that isn't Monk has some form of aggro dump that they SHOULD be using regularly. Furthermore all of the DPS can look "normal" on the aggro meter and still be grossly under-performing for their jobs.

    Stop spreading this nonsense about DPS without parsing already!
    I got them booted for it. Now what are you going to do about it? The deed is done.

    Next time don't treat your healers bad, or they'll get ya booted.
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