Harassing Healers - or: Please allow Parsers

[Kallera]

You don't have to care. But, even if you don't, surely you can see the value in fostering a playerbase culture that encourages better play, rather than the mess we have now.

Given how many times this topic comes up insisting players enforce this on others, I'm fairly cynical on that point. Maybe I just want to keep on not caring instead of kicking people and pretending I'm doing them a favor.

[BigRed5392]

Since it seems to be okay to harass healers who play subpar even in the official forums (healer dps topics all over the place), the argument against parsers is invalid.

Either allow the harassment of ALL roles or do something to >stop< the harassment of ALL roles

they don't want people to reverse engineer it. Also how are you stopping the harassment. A sub-par healer is a healer who isn't healing the group.

dpsing as a healer is an arbitrary rule players made up. Nice bonus. I never once see anyone ask healers to dps... I seen them being forced to with insults like "looking to carry"

Look at your past replies on other things, before jumping up and saying "im not harassing anyone".. I know a few i see already who have in previous threads.

[dragonseth07]

Given how many times this topic comes up insisting players enforce this on others, I'm fairly cynical on that point. Maybe I just want to keep on not caring instead of kicking people and pretending I'm doing them a favor.

A more skilled playerbase helps everyone. Maybe you really don't care, but it's still true. Everyone benefits when the average skill in DF goes up.

[BigRed5392]

I only see that consistently in ex. On lvl 60 or lower roulettes? Not really.

i've seen this in things outside savage and ex. Aether can get pretty nasty at times based on who you run into.

[BigRed5392]

A more skilled playerbase helps everyone. Maybe you really don't care, but it's still true. Everyone benefits when the average skill in DF goes up.

No one benefits in reality, all this does is stress people out and makes people miserable. Which in turn will make them play poorly. A good healer should be encouraged to have good timing on which cures to use, when. When to use buffs when to use regen. As i see people flub this up often, just to pump out dps. I don't consider that good play.

[dragonseth07]

they don't want people to reverse engineer it. Also how are you stopping the harassment. A sub-par healer is a healer who isn't healing the group.

That's your idea of sub-par? Not healing enough to clear? That's a really low bar you've set.

Just healing is like a tank who just spams Flash to hold threat. He's doing his job, technically. Or a DPS who just does a 1-2-3 rotation. You'll still clear eventually.

The bar doesn't have to be "well, we cleared it". We, as a community, can be better than that.

[caponesavage]

SE wouldn't give you DPS spells if they didn't want you to dps. WHM got Aero III, Stone III, Assize. SCH got Broil and an upgraded bane. It's not mandatory, but you should utilize these spells when you can.

I see people say this all the time and this point is moot. SE didnt give healers DPS skills for dungeons they were given these skills so they can solo and do story/side quests. That being said if you are a healer that can DPS then hey why not. To say all healers need to DPS well that again goes back to "play style". Logically though a healers main job is to heal and as long as that is being done and time isnt wasted with a needless wipe then im good with it.

[Nixxe]

Or how about: don't harass anyone, but encourage everyone to play well and effectively and be as good team members as possible.

Yeah, basically. Like healer DPS is obviously better than healer jumping around in circles, but the way to promote it is by being supportive and encouraging, not trolling and flaming people.

[Kallera]

That's your idea of sub-par? Not healing enough to clear? That's a really low bar you've set.

Just healing is like a tank who just spams Flash to hold threat. He's doing his job, technically. Or a DPS who just does a 1-2-3 rotation. You'll still clear eventually.

The bar doesn't have to be "well, we cleared it". We, as a community, can be better than that.

"We, as a community, can be the type of people that complain after a clear!"
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"Wait, that's not an improvement at all? It is sad and pointless? But my cutthroat and critical personality can only benefit the game!"

[Lilseph]

I see people say this all the time and this point is moot. SE didnt give healers DPS skills for dungeons they were given these skills so they can solo and do story/side quests. That being said if you are a healer that can DPS then hey why not. To say all healers need to DPS well that again goes back to "play style". Logically though a healers main job is to heal and as long as that is being done and time isnt wasted with a needless wipe then im good with it.

Uhhh so SE is giving you DPS skills just for quests? That sounds like a waste of resources and skill slots. So, to me, what you are saying doesn't make sense. These skills are there to be used on ANY content: dungeons, raids, open world, quests. Also, I didn't do the training grounds but doesn't it tell you that you should dps if there is nothing to heal?