Healers that don't want to DPS are like DPSes who refuse to move out of AoEs.

[Taika]

No your arguements is... more akin to...

Being in my party and telling me I was SUPPOSED to be using my Physick to heal the party with the healer... because like... I can and stuff... and its part of my job to heal everyone.

You're missing the major difference here: DPSing healer is actually really powerful (capable of out-DPSing many actual DPS jobs on dungeon trash pulls alone, and two healers capable of adding raid DPS that equal to amount of an extra DD in Savage), because their design supports healer DPS, while SMN and BLM are extremely weak healers. Secondly, if you look at what's the best use of abilities in a situation (which is actually what you should base your playing at, no matter which job), in many situations using damage skills is actually the most useful choice for a healer, while it's extremely rare that using a healing spell would be the most useful choice for a BLM or SMN. Nevertheless, if there would be a situation in which casting Physick would be the optimal way to help your party as a SMN or BLM, then yes, of course you should use it! That just almost never happens, whereas for healers using damage abilities is useful in more or less all content.

[AsukaHamano]

I only have to ask healers who only heal one thing. What do you do when no one needs healing? Stand still twiddling your thumbs? At what point does a DPS or a tank get to stand still and have a lovely little rest?

This is just how my team works but for us if there's a pause in healing i usually focus on calling out mechanics and reminding people of the next steps so there's no tunnel vision (*We used to have the mechanics TS bot but the owner left the static*)
Healers aren't the role of front line and they stay at the back with ranged classes (typically anyway) so yes, their game has a slower pace.

I do get why people think that healers should dps in their free time simply because the skills to do so are given to them but that doesn't mean its a solid enough reason to dismiss people who "heal only".

[Judge_Xero]

Oh? What's that? "primary role" you say? I suppose it was that simple.

And I wonder what a Bard does? Hmm..surely a class labeled as "DPS" with a bow and it's core design aesthetic and name being based around music might just be relating to that?

Fair argument. But also remember that healers in the FF Universe have both curative and offensive magics if we are to talk about aesthetics. Not saying that offensive magics should be considered in part of a healers primary role, but similar to BRD being a DPS there better be songs despite it not being a support class.

[aleph_null]

The other players in the party are not scripted. They can do random stuff that require the healer to react fast with enough MP in reserve. Especially during AoE phases and one-hit mechanics

Of course you don't have to optimize as much as the top speedrun groups since their mp optimization relies on everyone doing everything perfectly with no room for errors, but you definitely don't have to standby all the time, even if you top everyone up after aoe dmg there should still be plenty of time to throw in some dps. Even the world first a12s clear had over 1k combined healer dps, which is still above average even now, despite the fact that they were undergeared and had errors (even deaths).

Again I want to emphasize that healers should try to dps. I completely understand that whether or not you have the opportunity to dps is up to the rest of the group too, if tanks don't use cds, dps take unnecessary dmg and die, then you'll have less (and in some cases even absolutely zero) chance to dps. There should be a certain amount of trust you have for your group mates if you want to clear contents, even in PUGs. Shit happens, but there's a really huge difference between not dpsing at all and dpsing so much that you can't even react to any mistake/death of someone else.

No your arguements is... more akin to...

Being in my party and telling me I was SUPPOSED to be using my Physick to heal the party with the healer... because like... I can and stuff... and its part of my job to heal everyone.

Because... like..... you're a DPS... but you know... since like Physik is a healing skill you're not really a DPS you're a healer too...

I'd be looking at you like you were an idiot.

Yes if the healer goes down and there's no one left TO do it... sure I will... but expecting me to heal everyone else because like... "its your job and stuff and properly utilizes your character because you're a healer too"... is living in your own little world.

Because that's literally what you're doing here.... to the healers

And saying if I don't heal it makes me a "bad summoner"....

There's a difference in efficiency, first of all physick is extremely weak on smn/blm, and secondly the smn/blm losing 1 dps gcd to cast physick would be a lot more than the healer's loss if they stop dpsing for 1 gcd to cast a heal. To match an actual heal you probably would have to use physick 10 times, so it's a stupid tradeoff. A better comparison will be pld casting clemency during a big dungeon pull where the healer is spamming aoe dps spell. Pld has no aoe dps skill other than circle of scorn, so the pld casting a clemency (which is powerful, unlike physick) loses 1 single target dps gcd, while the healer might lose a lot more potency by stopping their holy/gravity spam to cast a cure/benefic.

[Zojha]

Because that's literally what you're doing here....

And saying if I don't heal it makes me a "bad summoner"....

Except she isn't.

Wanna know what's the difference? Healing as summoner is not efficient. DPSing as healer is efficient. And efficiency is what separates a good from a bad player.

A more correct analogy would be refusing to use resurrection as Summoner, since your res is fairly efficient. And if your healer ends up dying, you tell them to git gud instead of ressing them, because you shouldn't have to use skills outside of your role to compensate for their lack.

[Enyalios]

This is just how my team works but for us if there's a pause in healing i usually focus on calling out mechanics and reminding people of the next steps so there's no tunnel vision (*We used to have the mechanics TS bot but the owner left the static*)
Healers aren't the role of front line and they stay at the back with ranged classes (typically anyway) so yes, their game has a slower pace.

I do get why people think that healers should dps in their free time simply because the skills to do so are given to them but that doesn't mean its a solid enough reason to dismiss people who "heal only".

Are you unable to call mechanics while like... pressing buttons?

[Taika]

Are you unable to call mechanics while like... pressing buttons?

I was wondering the same, since I've actually been the one actively calling out mechanics for our raid and extreme groups for a long time while healing AND doing damage.

[Felis]

I only have to ask healers who only heal one thing. What do you do when no one needs healing? Stand still twiddling your thumbs? At what point does a DPS or a tank get to stand still and have a lovely little rest?

As an AST I play with cards.
A DPS can rest if there is nothing alive that need to get hit. A tank can rest if nothing is alive that can hit the party members.

[Kit-Kat]

As an AST I play with cards.
A DPS can rest if there is nothing alive that need to get hit. A tank can rest if nothing is alive that can hit the party members.

Translation: can rest if the party AFKs? how can you not have a target to hit in this game lol.

[AsukaHamano]

Are you unable to call mechanics while like... pressing buttons?

Typically yes i just call mechanics because as healer my eye is focused on where everyone is and what they're doing so calling mechanics is usually my job for the static. But i dont DPS during slower heal times as the Off Healer is doing dps. Its not that i CANT, i just choose not to as my position in the static isnt DPS. Also my DPS are good enough that we dont NEED me to DPS as theirs is very high. If your static is at the stage of NEEDING your healer to DPS then maybe your DPS should start pulling their weight instead of bitching and shoving all your problems onto the healers who already have their hands full keeping you alive ^^