As a healer, is it my job to DPS? A new perspective.

[Connor]

My point being that this is not something everyone is taught everywhere,

Personally I agree that this is probably one of the reasons that some healers end up not nuking at all with Cleric Stance.

As you go through class quests, oftentimes as a healer there are NPCs with you that'll attack the enemies for you, so it can be easy to forget that you're expected to be both dealing damage and healing them. With so many levelling options now (especially PotD) I think it's easier than it has been before to level without having to play solo. I think if they made Cleric Stance more important (not required of course, that would be a little unfair) for simpler things like class quests it would be easier for some players to understand the dual-nature role of healing. Even if it was just something like an NPC saying "hey that Cleric Stance ability would really be useful while we go fight X enemy / Purify the taint / w/e", or "hey have you heard of that Conjurer ability Cleric Stance? You should find a way to get it so you can help us fight". Even if it's just a passing comment.

I understand that there's already things in the game that make it clear a healer should be doing both. But there's no way to guarantee that new healers are going to take part in the Hall of the Novice / keep up with the forums / etc. And of course, some players who aren't in an FC/LS with more experienced players or simply play alone may genuinely not realize how much using Cleric Stance and DPS can contribute.

Making Cleric Stance more important and maybe having a class quest or two that require Cleric Stance would help new players gradually build up their skill with stance-dancing instead of getting to level 60 and realizing "oh wait I'm not supposed to heal all the time?". Not to mention that it's pretty much guaranteed that Cleric Stance will become a shared role ability, so new healers in Stormblood will all be able to use it naturally.

[Lambdafish]

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Optimal play for any job is not taught in the game. Cleric healing is as much self taught as finding an optimal dps rotation online, or learning about optimising DPS stances on tank. Don't expect it to not be part of the game, just because the game doesn't tell you about it.

As for your raid problem specifically, I take back what I said before and you are in the right (though cleric isn't the problem). It is ridiculous for a party to expect you to maintain cleric in a raid you are unfamiliar with, especially one as mechanic intensive as A10S. With deaths, you are more of an asset not DPSing, and having people see the fight, as healer DPS is actually completely irrelevant up until you hit enrage (DPS checks not counting).

Stance dancing is expected in dungeons and easy content, but more difficult content such as ex primals or raids are more generous and you should only be expected to DPS if you are comfortable with the fight and know the gaps (though if you know there is a time when you can DPS, such as during the goblin tank phase of A10S, you should take that opportunity)

[Feyona]

Optimal play for any job is not taught in the game.

As for your raid problem specifically, I take back what I said before and you are in the right (though cleric isn't the problem). It is ridiculous for a party to expect you to maintain cleric in a raid you are unfamiliar with, especially one as mechanic intensive as A10S. With deaths, you are more of an asset not DPSing, and having people see the fight, as healer DPS is actually completely irrelevant up until you hit enrage (DPS checks not counting).

Stance dancing is expected in dungeons and easy content, but more difficult content such as ex primals or raids are more generous and you should only be expected to DPS if you are comfortable with the fight and know the gaps (though if you know there is a time when you can DPS, such as during the goblin tank phase of A10S, you should take that opportunity)

This is something Ive said before in an earlier post. And I have been thinking that it was ridiculous all this time but alot of feedback suggested it was because I couldnt play my class. Now your left with a bit of a catch 22 as to how do you learn it if groups wont have you unless you can?

[Feyona]

Personally I agree that this is probably one of the reasons that some healers end up not nuking at all with Cleric Stance.


Making Cleric Stance more important and maybe having a class quest or two that require Cleric Stance would help new players gradually build up their skill with stance-dancing instead of getting to level 60 and realizing "oh wait I'm not supposed to heal all the time?". Not to mention that it's pretty much guaranteed that Cleric Stance will become a shared role ability, so new healers in Stormblood will all be able to use it naturally.

Being part of the quest chain would certainly help but would it put some healers off the game if theres only dps on it. Cos Im not sure if the game would have appealed to me if I found out that top level content only required healing on sch occasionally. Plus ill add here that when your learning healer only thats something that may be a little hard to manage but idk really

[Deliciou5]

I said this before and i will say it again, healer on dps isn't really necessary for most content in the game. Its highly encouraged though, since why play the same dungeons you already done for roulette's for the thousandth time for tomes, and yet you don't want to make it faster? If someone tells me they are new i will show them infinite patience even if they want to pull mobs one at a time. But you should really stop telling yourselves its not selfish to not try your best to complete it as quickly as possible when everyone else in the party is.

Don't worry about what might happen for those who fear cleric stance CD, just be honest and communicate, 90% of the parties i been in when people tell me they are not comfortable doing something i accommodate them, even in harder fights i would tell them i would dps and they could solo heal X phases and i would jump in to throw some HOTS up or for aoe healing when needed since i always research the harder fights before i do them. I noticed most people are very accommodating if you only act nice and communicate. If they are toxic and boot you, well then you probably were not going to have fun with them anyways even if you did clear. The game is all about having fun, just try to improve upon yourselves and don't remain static.

It is true what they say about dpsing as healer, you do learn how to be a better healer by dpsing since you need to create those windows for yourself. If you never try you can never get better, just try your best when you do get those easier slower pulling parties to practice stuff, and don't be stubborn about improving yourself, because that itself in my experiences playing the game make other players bully you and makes you seem toxic yourself. Not saying most parties are like that, but most players won't tell you that you rubbed them the wrong way, they just will put on their asshats. I always found it best to send a /tell if possible to the other healer about what each of you would be doing, or at the very least be honest and nice as possible if you must say it in party chat.

[Feyona]

I said this before and i will say it again, healer on dps isn't really necessary for most content in the game.

Yes, its fine in old content, and ofc people want to do that stuff as fast as possible, maybe most people are reasonable , but there are, unfortunately, also alot of ragers, elitists, and impatient people too. Speaking for myself I am always polite, and do what I can, conscienciously to help. There are stubborn people too, I guess you always have to deal with this on social games. I think one of the problems though maybe is the game not giving some clear direction to the issue, and like 'parents' could make it clearer for the sake of anyone misunderstanding what your role expects. Just because cleric is there, and that its optimal play may be making it an issue

[Neela]

New SB infos and statements from Boston, PAX East, yesterday:

Im Juni erscheint mit Stormblood die zweite Erweiterung für Final Fantasy 14. Auf der PAX East, die am vergangenen Wochenende in Boston stattfand, gab es viele neue Infos zum Addon, die von Executive Producer Naoki Yoshida in einem Panel auf der Messe verraten wurden.

Die neuen Stormblood-Infos zusammengefasst:
Obwohl Yoshida die Kleriker-Haltung für Heiler nicht besonders mag, wird diese trotz der ganzen Änderungen am Kampf auch in Stormblood erhalten bleiben. Heiler sollen heilen und sich auch nur darauf fokussieren.

It says: Although Yoshi dislike the concept of cleric stance at all – cleric stance will stay in the SB healers toolkit even if Yoshis opinion is "Healer should focus on healing - and just healing"

so yay gtfo with all your "u have to dps bs" ^^

[Llus]

New SB infos and statements from Boston, PAX East, yesterday:

Im Juni erscheint mit Stormblood die zweite Erweiterung für Final Fantasy 14. Auf der PAX East, die am vergangenen Wochenende in Boston stattfand, gab es viele neue Infos zum Addon, die von Executive Producer Naoki Yoshida in einem Panel auf der Messe verraten wurden.

Die neuen Stormblood-Infos zusammengefasst:
Obwohl Yoshida die Kleriker-Haltung für Heiler nicht besonders mag, wird diese trotz der ganzen Änderungen am Kampf auch in Stormblood erhalten bleiben. Heiler sollen heilen und sich auch nur darauf fokussieren.

It says: Even if Yoshi dislike the concept of cleric stance at all – cleric stance will stay in the SB healers toolkit even if Yoshis opinion is "Healer should focus on healing - and just healing"

so yay gtfo with all your "u have to dps bs" ^^

[Party Member] Why are you dancing around and not DPSing?
[Healer] Cause Yoshi said I don't have to, so GTFO
/votekick
- healer goes to forums to rant still

[Neela]

funny reaction Llus ^^ im not saying its the way to go but it's for real a statement the com can't ignore in there wave of brabbeling how cleric was intend to be - and its not intend to dps your fucking ass off as a healer - not more not less. But like i said in one of my very first posts in here: even if Yoshi, the Dalai Lama or Trump say you are wrong - the com will stick to their ignorant mind...

[Vulcwen]

I interpreted yoshi's statement to be about what he envisions about design, not the current state of the game. This might indicate a large base potency nerf on healing with stormblood to cut down the time healers can DPS.