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    How about we don't act like it's only the 'West' that get upset and vocal about decisions made in this game, or ask irrelevant questions. If I recall, was it not the JP playerbase outright demanding that Yoshi should resign over the personal housing fiasco?
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  2. #132
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    Quote Originally Posted by FeliAiko View Post
    How about we don't act like it's only the 'West' that get upset and vocal about decisions made in this game, or ask irrelevant questions. If I recall, was it not the JP playerbase outright demanding that Yoshi should resign over the personal housing fiasco?
    JP playerbase are also not happy about Diadem too apparently.
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  3. #133
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    Quote Originally Posted by FeliAiko View Post
    How about we don't act like it's only the 'West' that get upset and vocal about decisions made in this game, or ask irrelevant questions.
    I'm checking the JP general board right now and the threads seem a lot less complain-y over there. I see
    - A request thread of some kind, there's some discussion about the coven weapons here
    - A community project for thanking Yoshi
    - A thread about the idol and dead emotes, people asking if they can pretend to drown with the death emote later and idol lightstick things
    - chat thread
    - "Let's think about what the next class will be"
    - Discussion about the live action drama Father of Light thing
    - Suggestions for future collab events
    - GARO collab thread
    - Eorzea cafe ( the physical cafe in japan)
    - Jump potions, this is the first thread with a debate that I've seen there. It's a lot more organized than our threads on the subject but there's absolutely nuance here I can't pick out myself
    - "Beard suggestions for beard lovers"
    - 【Request】 The dedication of the development team towards giving different content equal resources (paraphrasing that)
    -Suggestions for Susanoo songs

    Of course that's just a snapshot of what it's like at this moment.
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    Last edited by Texa; 03-14-2017 at 09:30 AM.

  4. #134
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    Quote Originally Posted by Texa View Post
    - "Beard suggestions for beard lovers"
    A random one to pick out given the topic of this thread, but as I love beards, this really surprises me for some reason that they even discuss it over there xD.
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  5. #135
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    Quote Originally Posted by Texa View Post
    I'm checking the JP general board right now and the threads seem a lot less complain-y over there. I see
    - A request thread of some kind, there's some discussion about the coven weapons here
    - A community project for thanking Yoshi
    - A thread about the idol and dead emotes, people asking if they can pretend to drown with the death emote later and idol lightstick things
    - chat thread
    - "Let's think about what the next class will be"
    - Discussion about the live action drama Father of Light thing
    - Suggestions for future collab events
    - GARO collab thread
    - Eorzea cafe ( the physical cafe in japan)
    - Jump potions, this is the first thread with a debate that I've seen there. It's a lot more organized than our threads on the subject but there's absolutely nuance here I can't pick out myself
    - "Beard suggestions for beard lovers"
    - 【Request】 The dedication of the development team towards giving different content equal resources (paraphrasing that)
    -Suggestions for Susanoo songs

    Of course that's just a snapshot of what it's like at this moment.
    I can only recall from when someone last went in to prove it's not 900% sunshine, but you have to read the threads themselves and not just go zoom by the titles - since they build on threads a lot more than we do. Our Threads Per Second is impossible to gauge! Heh. MOAR TPS~!

    Of course to add we also have a lot more diversity and people in general so expect hive to be lower and disagreement to be higher. It would only be logical for our side to be a bit more fiery, if it wasn't that'd be serious questions for the more likely to be homogeneous group. People call it the US boards sometimes but that's a mistake its the English boards, with anyone who can speak English - even Japanese come here to post/read (as some posts reveal).

    Was also told anon boards are more common to rage because then their name isn't associated and that's more of a concern vs here. Can't judge you in game for saying you like some casual noob content~~! lol
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    Last edited by Shougun; 03-14-2017 at 09:52 AM.

  6. #136
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shougun View Post
    Was also told anon boards are more common to rage because then their name isn't associated and that's more of a concern vs here. Can't judge you in game for saying you like some casual noob content~~! lol
    2ch is where people tend to let all of their negativity out, the ff xiv board is here http://ff14net.2chblog.jp/ . That place is a mess to navigate with as little as I can actually understand and their heavy use of slang. I usually go through the @wiki and amazon jp reviews to find unrestrained opinions for other jrpg fandoms. https://www26.atwiki.jp/gcmatome/pages/3064.html https://www60.atwiki.jp/ff14lore/pages/336.html might have the dirt for ff xiv specifically but actually figuring out how to go through them would take a bit.

    Edit: Seems like their negative term for FF XIV is ギスギスオンライン / Gisgis Online but I'm really not sure what that's a reference to. The dictionary I checked said gisgis can mean Brooding · discord · Bad relations · Bad balance · I made a bad guy. · I was disappointed. · Water and oil · Dog monkey's relationship · Gisgis · Cold War State · The worst partner

    Edit #2: Okay I found a definition I can make sense of.

    "Today I'd like to introduce a world frequently heard in FF XIV called Gisgis. Gisgis is often used when you are in a tense situation during playing such as when a fight or an argument breaks out, it refers to being disgusted while playing."
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    Last edited by Texa; 03-14-2017 at 10:58 AM.

  7. #137
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    I honestly just think he was having a rough day. All the travel, questions, time spent on SB already, etc.

    He's allowed a few off days, given how much time he and his team have put into the project. That, and it gets annoying having to explain and repeat information when people whine about difficulty getting this or doing that. If it's too hard, complaints. If it's too easy, complaints. No win situation.

    Can't blame him AT ALL.
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  8. #138
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vaer View Post
    Maybe a combination of jet lag and stress since SB is launching in about 3 months or maybe he just thought some of the questions were dumb.
    i heard all the questions were dumb in the Q&A all about clothes male bunny suit this salty rage over 280 weapon next to nothing if anything about SB like god so many of you are assholes you know who you are salty elitists hardcore completionists like holy shit calm the hell down already it's just a game be happy with what you get and shut up. Sure i can see them not minding a request or two being taken into consideration but holy shit you'd swear these salty players were gonna bomb SE buildings if they dont get what they want
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    Quote Originally Posted by Blackbird1 View Post
    i heard all the questions were dumb in the Q&A all about clothes male bunny suit this salty rage over 280 weapon next to nothing if anything about SB like god so many of you are assholes you know who you are salty elitists hardcore completionists like holy shit calm the hell down already it's just a game be happy with what you get and shut up. Sure i can see them not minding a request or two being taken into consideration but holy shit you'd swear these salty players were gonna bomb SE buildings if they dont get what they want
    The irony here is the sheer amount of salt you're displaying in your rant about the people being salty about the weapons. Pot, kettle. Kettle, pot. >.<
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    Re: about Japanese criticism of the game earlier. I went through 2ch for a while and found a good summary of complaints from their PoV of things, I'll do my best to translate up to 63 (my Japanese is horrible I really just know how to find stuff). I'm subbing out gisgis with salt where it comes up because the terms are more or less the same. I'm leaving the ones I don't know how to approach in Japanese. Here's a straight google translate of the full list for those interested. Please note, I do not agree with all of these ^ ^u don't shoot the messenger

    1. The promotional materials and ads were misleading
    2. The back of the PS3 version case was originally misleading
    3. FFなのにWoWとRIFTを何の工夫もせず上辺だけ劣化パクリ&改悪問題
    4. The battles are boring as a beginner.
    5. The eSports elements that they try to push aren't acceptable in Japan
    6. Lack of content
    7. The concept of item levels and the illusion of choice
    8. Underlying cancer called GCD (Global Cool-Down)
    9. Nothing is really rare. The markets are not functioning as intended and it's impossible to sell things.
    10. The FATEs are crude
    11. Handling of crafters and gatherers (I'm assuming ギャザクラ is a contraction of crafters and gatherers)
    12. Weekly restrictions
    13. Inflation ( デノミ is Japanese slang for inflation)
    14. Raids- Godawful endgame
    15. Duty Finder
    16. 皆無に近いオリジナル要素、場面に合わない背景音楽
    17. The loot system
    18. "Novice Network" isn't aimed at novices
    19. 対人関連 (I think it means avoidance of interaction? Linked Jisho)
    20. Alliance raid
    21. Housing
    22. Structural problem caused by the expansion
    23. 2.5秒おきにきめられたボタンをおすだけ。爽快感はない。
    24. You aren't really fighting the enemies you're doing line gimmicks on the floor
    25. 歴代FFのようなサポートアビリティやサポートジョブ、そんなビルド要素はない
    26. 使いまわしモーション。目に痛いエフェクト。何をしてるのかわからないマスゲーム。意味
    27. Not enough distinguishing traits between movement in races
    28. Some skills do not work properly. It's taking longer and longer to do a "rotation" to reach maximum dps
    29. Even though there are a variety of skills, many lack distinguishing features
    30. 範囲攻撃と単品攻撃のバランスをとれないからいつも範囲攻撃連打か単品攻撃連打になる
    31. You can only ever use skills and combos in one order if you want to achieve "maximum dps"
    32. Upon meeting your exp target there's really no reason to do FATEs
    33. The forced inclusion of FATEs in the Zodiac and Relic quests
    34. ギャザクラは河本のせい (I THINK it says the DoH/DoH woes are Nobuaki Komoto's fault)
    35. マイスター専用レシピにより、アーマリーシステムという自己完結プレイは不可能に (something about how the armories aren't implemented very well???)
    36. Crafter specialization skills are useless
    37. Locking new recipes to crafter specializations only even though you can still see them
    38. "The strongest weapon ever" is temporary
    39. Lack of rationality to level crafters and gatherers after expansion
    40. The top perk to leveling them was materia melding, but then they added npcs that can meld
    41. Weekly limit to token acquisition
    42. Having to wipe to reset cooldowns
    43. I did not feel a sense of accomplishment upon clearing I only felt exhausted
    44. そうさせるだけの理不尽なギミック (really vague)
    45. The true challenge in a boss fight is never the boss, it's the other party members
    46. ​​フェーズごとに切って無敵状態でテストしている無能開発
    47. 調整が甘い状態で数少ないエンドコンテンツを実装している
    48. It's really difficult to learn new fight mechanics without voice chat
    49. Duty Finder doesn't ding
    50. MMORPG no longer
    51. Close to none of the original elements remain
    52. Background music not suitable for the scene
    53. You can only clear once a week for 2 drops, but it's an 8 person party
    54. 無駄なまでにクリアするのが面倒なコンテンツ程、報酬が良い ( I think this could be about the same as "lack of horizontal progression")
    55. Dine and dash players (not stopping to say hello and goodbye)
    56. 運の悪い者は永遠に手にいられない。
    57. Even if you clear people will still be salty about the clear
    58. FF XIV wasn't designed with pvp in mind
    59. Some battles rely on whether or not you have someone a specific job in your party for a clear
    60. There is no countermeasure against communication lag at all
    61. Medium housing costs too much for what you're getting
    62. The small houses are way to narrow inside
    63. Automatic removal of housing
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    Last edited by Texa; 03-14-2017 at 03:22 PM.

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