Healers that don't want to DPS are like DPSes who refuse to move out of AoEs.

[Rysir]

If I see a healer standing there idle between heals, I feel bad for them, because it must be boring. I will stand in AoE so they can enjoy the game, too. If I'm too good at my job and shorten the encounters, they get less healing time, which is what these players want, they just want to heal.

I invite everyone to stand in more AoEs so that these heal-only healers have more fun!

Since its fun to dampen a joke sometimes lets take this sarcasm seriously for a sec.

If a heal only healer is around and you go forth with this plan to sit in AOEs to cause them to heal more theres a thing you must remember: If your dps members are doing their job proper while you all are keeping the healer busy you are still completing content on time unless you die intentionally.

[Kit-Kat]

Nah, it's pretty decidedly taking away the dps' only job, because then suddenly they don't have to be as competent/put up as high numbers to clear the fight anymore. People can slack off, put in less effort, and still clear the fight with ease even if they aren't going at Max because someone else is going to pick up the slack. If my contribution isn't needed anymore, why should I make an effort when someone else is just gonna do it instead? There's no need to perform at my best.

As for the blm helping heal, healers would just whine about having someone else do their job even if they need the help and the heals were actually useful/helpful.

Everything in this game is extremely scripted and it all boils down to DPS. There's never such thing as 'enough' dps. HP reaches 0, the faster the better. No one is gonna refuse a healer's dps input because 'it's my role and you should let me do it', unless you're not doing it properly and letting your party eventually die lol. As for the blm helping heal, if heals in this game had the same treat as constant dps, outside inputs of heals would be appreciated, but sad reality is they're not, fights are scripted and you know when to use what spell so you're not gonna need help. People asked for more healing intensive fights for a reason.

[Valkyrie_Lenneth]

So, you essentially want Tanks and Healers to half-ass their own Roles just because DPS, who already half-ass, feel like their job isn't required? I'm sorry, but if YOU are playing lazily, that has nothing to do with me, because your point might've had weight if, you know, DPS haven't been as bad as they are since 2.0.

So rather than call out dps for not doing their jobs, we will continue to make the problem worse by just getting mad at healers who don't dps. Gotcha.

[Thunda_Cat_SMASH]

So, you essentially want Tanks and Healers to half-ass their own Roles just because DPS, who already half-ass, feel like their job isn't required?.

Well, if you were actually paying attention you'd know I was a tank that actively avoids using tank stance whenever possible precisely because damage is actually part of my job description, but still, that's cute! <3

Thank you very much for proving my point though! Dps can be AFK and no one will give a shiny Gil, but if the healers more concerned about keeping people healthy instead of riding their parse? Sacrilege!

[Belhi]

Also, a healer dpsing isn't taking your job, it's helping you with it since they actually can do both. If a BLM/SMN heal was as strong as a healer class spell, you could see them supporting the healers if needed, but the 500 heal vs 5k heal is nowhere nearly helpful at all. On the other hand, a healer's DPS is really strong and high enough to contribute to damage. Not nuke dps, but constant dps.

You know this argument would actually hold a little more weight with me if I ever saw dps using their Mitigation support skills. Both SMN and BLM have Eye for an Eye and Virus and BLM as their magic damage mitigation skill but the amount of dps I actually see ever using it is almost non existent. I will usually auto commend any dps that does. Likewise, you only occasionally see someone bother to use Mantra during high raid damage moments.

All these skills are off GCD and for the most part would probably allow Healers more time to dps but almost no one bothers to use them. Group contribution is a two way street.

[DaikiKiyoshi]

Why is this even a discussion? The data doesn't lie. Healers who perform their primary role, keeping the party alive, and DPS'ing to make the run quicker, are objectively better at their job than those who don't, it's as simple as that. Opinions don't mean anything in the face of facts, so it's time to stop playing victim and admit to yourself: If I don't do more than my primary role, then I am not pro-efficient at my role. And that's fine if you're clearing the content, more power to you, but please don't go around parading as if that play-style is just as good as the legitimately optimal style, this is getting ridiculous.

No it's not as good, a healer who can dps and still keep up with the healing is always better at their job than one who only heals. But so many of the pro healer dps crowd absolutely trash the non healer dps crowd and call them a worthless / absolutely useless waste of a party slot, which just isn't true at all. Some of the backlash stems from that.

[Kit-Kat]

You know this argument would actually hold a little more weight with me if I ever saw dps using their Mitigation support skills. Both SMN and BLM have Eye for an Eye and Virus and BLM as their magic damage mitigation skill but the amount of dps I actually see ever using it is almost non existent. I will usually auto commend any dps that does. Likewise, you only occasionally see someone bother to use Mantra during high raid damage moments.

All these skills are off GCD and for the most part would probably allow Healers more time to dps but almost no one bothers to use them. Group contribution is a two way street.

I do agree on that, in fact I mentioned it in one of my previous posts. You have skills in the kit, use them, no matter your role.

[VeliusVire]

So rather than call out dps for not doing their jobs, we will continue to make the problem worse by just getting mad at healers who don't dps. Gotcha.

We /can't/ call out bad DPS without getting reported is the issue. The only way to PROVE which DPS isn't doing their job is through parsers in large groups, but we can't do that, so go figure. This isn't about not calling out bad DPS, this talking about healer playstyles. Again, a healer that doesn't maximise their role is objectively not as good as other healers, simple as that.

[VeliusVire]

No it's not as good, a healer who can dps and still keep up with the healing is always better at their job than one who only heals. But so many of the pro healer dps crowd absolutely trash the non healer dps crowd and call them a worthless / absolutely useless waste of a party slot, which just isn't true at all. Some of the backlash stems from that.

This actually seldom happens and people tend to over-dramatise these rare events of people going out of their way to demonise a playstyle. For my three years of playing since 2.0, I've experienced this happen FOUR times across THREE servers. It's not widespread, so stop acting like it is. The fear-mongering is really strong on these forums, come back with actual statistics of this 'Calling out Healers' pandemic and then maybe I could be made to take it seriously.

[VeliusVire]

Well, if you were actually paying attention you'd know I was a tank that actively avoids using tank stance whenever possible precisely because damage is actually part of my job description, but still, that's cute! <3

Thank you very much for proving my point though! Dps can be AFK and no one will give a shiny Gil, but if the healers more concerned about keeping people healthy instead of riding their parse? Sacrilege!

The only thing I've proven is your blatant disregard to evidence and foolery, so yeah, I guess that is cute, no? You cannot demonise one group for actually doing their role properly versus one who doesn't, but I guess delusion can do that.