Raiders of the lost 280 weapon

[Skeltal-Bons]

Hi, so I've decided to attempt to tackle the issue of all the negativity regarding the recent addition of iLvl 280 weapons

We've all noticed the huge number of complaints regarding these things, and from what I can gather, this all boils down to the mentality of "It's better than the raid/anima weapon, so my effort is invalidated"

Why don't we take a step back and look at this with some measure of rationality.
these people are complaining about a weapon that is very hard to get, thus meaning that only a select few will have it before SB, and even if you do get it, there's no guarantee that it will have the stats required to be BiS.

Even if someone has a BiS iLvl 280 weapon, does that mean that your iLvl 275 alexandrian weapon is going to delete itself from your account? No? then I don't see the problem.

[Atlaworks]

I agree with ya, OP, and think the whole design philosophy of diadem is silly without the ilevel 280 weapons being taken into account. See, the thing is, all the whining and screaming is coming from people who don't have them, and don't understand the randomization factor.

The way I look at it, we're at the tail end of Heavensward, and all the content is pretty easy at this point. We've hit the skill ceiling, so what's the big deal really? It's all gonna be invalidated when Stormblood comes out anyway- at least, at the endgame of Stormblood. So worst case scenario, this is... what? 3 months of being just very slightly sub-optimal, for want of a slight edge that won't really help you clear content that's already easy to beat?

I really wish there was an ilevel 280 glass of spilled milk for this.

[BigRed5392]

i think they added the 280 weapon not just for catch up, but as a seal trade. the higher the ilvl the more seals you get. People gonna need seals for the aether tickers and exp scrolls from grand company.

my guess they gonna add more ranks to gc too maybe increase seal cap.

I'm honestly not bothered by it. I rather have a guaranteed i275 weap over a rng based i280.

[Masekase_Hurricane]

and even if you do get it, there's no guarantee that it will have the stats required to be BiS.

The secondary stats don't make the 280 best in slot, it's the primary stats and weapon damage that make the 280 BIS. It could just have parry on and it will still be decent. Any secondary stats are a bonus.

[ChocoFeru]

I already did A12S months ago and I've got the 275 Relic, but the real question is... Why do I need an i280 weapon? There's nothing harder than A12S and won't be until expansion, so why bother?

If people that didn't do A12S now gets that weapon, it will help them a bit, but they still have to beat the boss, and I think these weapons won't beat the boss for them.


Anyways, keep in mind this is a diagonal progressive MMO and stuff is going to get outdated. The only thing that remains is the satisfaction of completing something before the rest, and the achievement with the completion date in it.
I don't care if somebody that didn't touch Savage now gets a better weapon. Why does he need it anyway if he's going to skip Savage anyways? And if he plans to beat Savage with it, why should I bother?

[Vanitas]

No force in heaven or earth will keep people from complaining about anything ever. What do I say? Let the mortals weep.

[Carvaka]

It's about the journey, not the destination.

[Belhi]

The secondary stats don't make the 280 best in slot, it's the primary stats and weapon damage that make the 280 BIS. It could just have parry on and it will still be decent. Any secondary stats are a bonus.

From the math I have seen the Primary stats and Weapon damage don't make the 280 best in Slot on its own. They actually have to have decent secondary stats to be equal or superior.

This was the explanation I read:

https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comme...apons/det1mk9/

[HiroKirito]

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This \o/

My groups on 12S right now, none of us are pursuing the 280 weapon. If we beat it before SB then it's boils down to whether we were good enough or not and it's highly unlikely that Rng 280 weapons will be the difference between beating it or not.

Even if they were the difference, people that beat it before the 280 weapons achievement isn't invalidated, same as how it won't be invalidated when SB hits and a bunch of people unsync 9-12S at level 70.

On a side note I see far more "I ground out the anima for months" complaints over "I beat 12S multiple times for the Alex weapon" ones. So it seems to me the claims that raiders are "Crying" over it is actually more "casuals" whining about thier anima.

[Zojha]

From the math I have seen the Primary stats and Weapon damage don't make the 280 best in Slot on its own. They actually have to have decent secondary stats to be equal or superior.

Let's see...

From the math, it looks like the weapon damage roughly compensates for the complete lack of one secondary and the main stat advantage compensates for around a third of the other secondary (just a quick glance at melee DPS).

On other words: You need around 90-100 "useful" secondaries total for the weapon to be better. This includes accuracy, since that means you can remove accuracy elsewhere to gain crit/det/whatever. I wouldn't necessary say you need "decent" stats - should be BiS as long as it isn't completely crap.