Sorry Yoshi, but if you award the best weapon in the game by winning the lottery...

[Lunafreya]

Why should it be BiS? Who expected it to be BiS, seriously? They've repeatedly said that the relic would always be behind the raid weapon.

This is so not true. Everyone knows Zeta was BiS until HW.

[Hyrist]

I actually explained the formula, several times now.

The formula you assume. Again, you're missing the counterpoint. You have made the presume that anything worth of 'value'. Yet you continually cite things like ilvl as your refrence for that value. This is patently incorrect, so much that you shy away from this point when I call you out on it.

The Diadem weapons have no value when you disregard statistics. The only way you can value them is if you value their stats. They have no aesthetic value, no nostalgic value and no social value. Therefore, the only way you can argue that these weapons is due to their statical value. You even spend most of your post that you tried to tell me that Statistics wasn't the nomer here, justifying it statically. So you're lieing to me, or yourself in this regard. Take some time to revisit your argument and decide which.

So you don't ,once again, miss the point. Here's the sum of this: You make two critical mistakes in your argument.

First, in assuming that anything of 'value' in this game takes time to achieve. That's simply not true - Several highly valued glamours are completely potluck in obtaining them through their available methods. Again, your argument ONLY has weight if the only thing you value is statistics.

Second, making the presumption that the Coven weapons 'eclipse the value' of Alexander and Anima weapons. They don't. You'll be tossing the Coven weapons as soon as you get better stats. People will be using their Alexander and Anima weapon glamours potentially for years.

The only value of the Coven weapons is a temporary stat boost - which will be statistically irrelevant for Stormblood's endgame. It. Has. No. Value.

So no only is your presumption that anything of value in this game is 'worked for' as opposed to having to be lucky false. It's also not in any real danger here. Slippery slope arguments are called logical fallacies for a reason.

This is so not true. Everyone knows Zeta was BiS until HW.

I have to question the value of this - why are you so focused on the statistical value of Relic Weapons? The actual window of BiS of a Zeta was actually incredibly small. By the time you get this "BiS" weapon, if that's your aim. Most people who will get their Endgame run completed before the next expansion has done so - the stats themselves have no value beyond that point.

In fact, it can be argued, that the Gordion, Midian, and Alexander weapons suffered from the same problem - their statistical value is self referential. You've already beaten the only content you'd ever use it against before it becomes irrelevant.

[Reynhart]

It's the worse kind of bait tactic

As proven by the really short lifespan of all Diablo games, I guess ?
Or how FFXI remain active until now ?

We're not into the second expansion yet and there is already a deep concern about how FFXIV lacks long term goals. This is exactly what the game needs, as long as it does not only rely on that.

[Lilyth]

Yoshida says Anima is still the strongest weapon :^)

Don't spread misinformation. That was a translation error.

What Yoshi meant was that you are better off sticking with your relic rather than counting on a lucky weapon drop that might or not have the right stats and must also be for the job you want.

[Yonanja]

As proven by the really short lifespan of all Diablo games, I guess ?
Or how FFXI remain active until now ?

We're not into the second expansion yet and there is already a deep concern about how FFXIV lacks long term goals. This is exactly what the game needs, as long as it does not only rely on that.

Gear drops like candy in Diablogames tho, so you're constantly looking at new gear to see if it's an upgrade. Placing such a random reward as the main attraction to a very dull piece of content, it's obvious that it's pretty much the only way they could think of actually luring people in there. Instead of maybe trying a bit harder to make something interesting and fun? They've had a year to do it, is this REALLY the best they could do?

[Lunafreya]

Don't spread misinformation. That was a translation error.

What Yoshi meant was that you are better off sticking with your relic rather than counting on a lucky weapon drop that might or not have the right stats and must also be for the job you want.

Was it really a mistranslation? Hmmm...

[RokkuEkkusu]

Prior to the releases of the last anima step and diadem 2.0, I believe people preferred using i270 DRK Augmented Shire weapon over the i275 Alexandrian one because of the secondaries. And this is despite the i275 Alexandrian weapon having more Weapon Damage.

Would the same hold true when the i275 BIS relic is compared with the i280 diadem weapon when the i280 has bad substats from the rng? (meaning the i275 would be preferrable to the i280 in this case?)

[Xerek]

Prior to the releases of the last anima step and diadem 2.0, I believe people preferred using i270 DRK Augmented Shire weapon over the i275 Alexandrian one because of the secondaries. And this is despite the i275 Alexandrian weapon having more Weapon Damage.

Would the same hold true when the i275 BIS relic is compared with the i280 diadem weapon when the i280 has bad substats from the rng? (meaning the i275 would be preferrable to the i280 in this case?)

The i280s are so powerful that they are almost on par with the i275s without substats. Add to that the i280s have about 100 more substat points then the i275s and it's almost impossible to get one that isn't better then the i275s.

[Valkyrie_Lenneth]

The i280s are so powerful that they are almost on par with the i275s without substats. Add to that the i280s have about 100 more substat points then the i275s and it's almost impossible to get one that isn't better then the i275s.

tank weapons with acc or parry are weighted less than the i275. So probably quite a lot of them will end up being awful

[Xerek]

tank weapons with acc or parry are weighted less than the i275. So probably quite a lot of them will end up being awful

Awful? The weapons are almost on par without any substats at all. Then add on 100 more substat points then a i275, and if even 1/4 of them end up on one or more useful stats, it'll still be superior to the i275s.

These are closer to i285 or i290, in truth.