Healers that don't want to DPS are like DPSes who refuse to move out of AoEs.

[Mycow8me]

As a tank, I'd rather they just worry about keeping us alive cause you never know when they are going to need that extra MP from catastrophic DPS failures to dodge or any other random reason that comes along like ahk mourn spam for the 8th time cuz dps has been staggered through the fight due to deaths and low focus on CDs.

SO unless its a DPS clock mechanic or a dungeon, stop worrying about what the healer is doing and push your own dps and partners DPS instead of trying to squeeze some out of the healer. I bet half the people that complain about healers dps don't even use food to increase their own.

[KDSilver]

Yeah i know but i admit i was lazy to do it x).

If the dps is really eating everything he can, even a good healer can't save him and it'll be his fault in that case.

Hmm I'd like to be clear about something.
When i talk about healer's dps personnaly, it includes that the healers know how to both heal and dps and always do his primary job first, even in emergency situation.

A healer who is focused on his dps and nothing else is just a bad player, that's all.

I think it's important to say it.

[St0rmchild]

You don't know me OR anyone I play with, so saying that tanks and dps view healers as "burdens" until they have to engage their brains to avoid mechanics, as you say, is an insult. Maybe be a bit more careful in how you word things in the future.

I run between 8 and 12 instances a day, most of them as healer.
For the most part I don't have a problem with my groups - dps are smart enough to avoid the avoidable damage, the majority of tanks I meet know when to use their cooldowns. (Exceptions sadly prove the rule)
This in turn frees me up to do things my role description doesn't require me to do, but which helps my group.

Now keep that in your head and read my statement again.

The gist of this thread, and this thread does (fortunately) not represent the gameplay I generally meet on Duty Finder is that dps should not have to do anything that limits their time on target (like avoiding aoe/mechanics) and that the healer, in addition to compensating for that should contribute their GCD's to dps.

I am so fortunate the people I meet on a daily basis understand that I, as healer main, am a part of their group and that by accomodating my by actually doing mechanics, avoiding avoidable damage give me the space to play and help them -- and because they do, we AS A GROUP, get to complete our duty faster.

In case your small denomination coin still hasn't been affected by gravity yet: yes I was being utterly sarcastic with that statement.

[Zojha]

I bet half the people that complain about healers dps don't even use food to increase their own.

You realize that the DPS gain from a healer casually DPSing is more than what 2 DPS could achieve if they both would up their performance from 50th to 90th percentile? >_> And that food is a completely insignificant gain compared to even one DPS upping their performance in such a way?

Every time I read that argument, I get the feeling people are completely oblivious about just how strong healers actually are in every aspect of the game.

[Faliandra]

I just dont know why some people are so RELUCTANT to even TRY.
I used to be the same, when I was new in this game. Bit over a year ago.

I didnt know that the "Refresh" Buff of WHM's Shroud of Saints meant that its regenerating MP. The tooltip is very misleading to a new player.
Holy seemed outrageously high in MP consumption (add that to the fact I didnt know what "Refresh" meant) and Cleric Stance had a 12 second recast timer. (they changed it to 5 secs recast a few months ago)
So if you fuck it up, your tank is gonna die and we will wipe.

Honestly, knowing that DPS is a requirement as a healer almost made me considering to quit because thats not what I wanted.
I did start trying at some point though, when a friend gave me just a little bit of insight into my class that I had never thought of. It honestly made me wanna figure out what I was doing wrong.

It's also a fact that you need to LEARN to realize that there is no reason to panic and that theres plenty of ways to keep everyone alive while dpsing.
Once youre confident enough, "Benediction" is no longer an Emergency button to hold onto but rather a convenient cooldown when you dont want to drop your cleric stance.

But really, if you never try to get the hang of it, youre missing out on a TON of fun! Nothing is more satisfying than seeing huge numbers from a healer AoE.
There are pulls where NO ONE can keep up with the dps a healer can dish out. Ofc a healer cant keep this up to that extent throughout the whole dungeon but some of the best pulls in this game
are extremely dominated by healer dps, when done properly (at least as a WHM).

So really, theres only advantages to dpsing:

- faster clears
- more fun
- more commendations!


As for savage raiding and ex primals: Harder to dps but not impossible, BUT VERY VERY DEPENDANT on your Co-heal (if there even is one) and also on your party members.
It helps to do those with a static and where you can trust in people NOT messing up too much, so you feel more confident and safe overall. If I have to keep ressing you though: Bye Bye MP, bye bye DPS.

[Mycow8me]

Blanket statements and pure situational basis.

If you are going to push performance out of another class, be prepared to do anything and everything that can maximize your own or you have no right. That includes finding and using the best food available.

[Bourne_Endeavor]

Blanket statements and pure situational basis.

If you are going to push performance out of another class, be prepared to do anything and everything that can maximize your own or you have no right. That includes finding and using the best food available.

That's a strawman.

The additional 53 Crit I'll gain using Priestly Omelettes won't come even remotely close to what White Mage, Scholar and Astro can unleash. Furthermore, even if we did apply that standards, healers would be expected to follow suit to up their DPS too. So... we're back to square one.

[Mycow8me]

Do you even know what a strawman argument is?

Anyway, my comment still remains. If you are going to push performance out of other classes, be prepared to push your own in every way possible.

I'm an old FFXI player. We always brought foods for every intense fight. I still do in FFXIV. If you are going to complain about performance from someone else without even maximizing your own, in my eyes you have no right.

[Atos]

You realize that the DPS gain from a healer casually DPSing is more than what 2 DPS could achieve if they both would up their performance from 50th to 90th percentile? >_> And that food is a completely insignificant gain compared to even one DPS upping their performance in such a way?

Every time I read that argument, I get the feeling people are completely oblivious about just how strong healers actually are in every aspect of the game.

Numbers please. Methinks when you say "casually DPSing" you mean "all-out DPSing", which would use a lot of MP you'd otherwise want for healing. and that the DPS that you're comparing the healer to aren't very good.

[Bourne_Endeavor]

Do you even know what a strawman argument is?

Anyway, my comment still remains. If you are going to push performance out of other classes, be prepared to push your own in every way possible.

I'm an old FFXI player. We always brought foods for every intense fight. I still do in FFXIV. If you are going to complain about performance from someone else without even maximizing your own, in my eyes you have no right.

The one you just made.

I reiterate, your food usage standard wouldn't exempt healers, thus it's a completely irrelevant argument. It also doesn't address the actual criticism people have towards heal only healers: that they aren't equally contributing. No one is demanding anyone optimize and perform their select role perfectly. They simply want to see an effort put forth. At this current time, content is too undertuned, which leads to healers having frequent amounts of downtime. I recently did Sohm Al Hard and opened with Divine Seal + Regen + Asylum on the tank once she grab everything. Despite having six mobs attacking her, I had to cast Cure II once in roughly 15-20 seconds. Am I to stand around doing nothing because that's precise what would happen if I only healed.