I280 weapons were a mistake

[ThirdChild_ZKI]

Oh this again. . .

Well, topic over, I guess. The overused memes are here.

[KeyboardFacerollname]

People that have already gotten the 270/275 Anima can get the 280 weapon and glam it to look like the anima they worked so hard to get. Plus they probably get to skip a step in Stormblood's relic questline.

People that didn't get their Anima weapon dont get the cool glam and have to do an extra stage in SB.

Plus the weapon is rare. The boss has to spawn, then a weapon usable by a job you play has to drop, that weapon preferably needs good secondaries, and then you have to win the roll for it against 23 other people.

For people that have the Anima, getting a 280 weapon is a win-win situation for them. For people without the Anima, hey they get to upgrade whatever crappy 200-230 weapon they were using yay!

Plus, a bad player with a 280 won't suddenly start pumping out more damage/healing/emnity than a good player of the same class with a 270/275 relic weapon. They'll still be bad and you can still lord your awesomeness over the casual plebs that are groveling beneath you.

[Dement]

That isn't it at all. A big reason why I still did my Zodiac relic despite how outdated it is, is because I knew that it would still be one of the best weapons I can have until about halfway through HW. And because I progress so slowly, I knew I would still have a lot of time enjoying it before I would have to upgrade. Despite my late coming into the game, this alone lets me know that when 3.0 launched, those who completed the zodiac weapon quest had a BiS until what? 3.2? Several months after the expansion was released? Using it as a glamour was a very distant second.

If this is your thinking and plan for your anima, I feel it's probably best to tell you that the Zodiac was a relevant weapon for a week or two at best for most people in Heavensward. It was outclassed by dungeon drops and white gear starting around level 55. It was usable beyond 57 but was no where near as good as dungeon weapons and HQ crafted weapons. By level 60 it was already completely worthless beyond glamour and using it to get past the crystal farming phase of anima. Just so that you're not shocked in SB when it's the same scenario.

[Kosmos992k]

Don't generalize. I'm sure you are better than that :/

I could flip this sentence that you just wrote to the other side... to a generalization about "casuals", but that wouldn't be very nice right?

Yes, you're correct I did over generalize and I will go back and edit the original post.

However, if you remember the reaction to the original Diadem gear, and look at the ridiculous number of topics on the General Discussion forum about i280 weapons in Diadem 2 you have to concede that there is an extreme reaction and it's not a small number of people reacting. Additionally, those complaining are those who already have end game/raiding weapons and gear. By and large, that group does not include very many casual players - almost by definition. Logically the majority of the complaints about the i280 weapon are coming from end game players and raiders. Given the precarious nature of the i280 weapon and it's stats - due to RNG as well as the relatively low drop rate and conditions, I honestly can't see how anyone already possessing one or more i270 weapons has any significant reason to complain about it.

Which brings me back to the point I was making an apparently botched. I don't think that those players should feel so insecure about their well earned gear even in the face of this thing in Diadem 2. Quite apart from anything else, those best placed to acquire that weapon are those very same players. I call it insecurity because the nature of the reaction and it's strength suggests that players complaining are not very secure or happy in their gear because they perceive this i280 as invalidating their prior efforts. I don't think anyone should feel that way, and in fact I'd suggest that the things earned before put you in a great position to obtain the i280 which I (for example) and many other more casual players will almost certainly never acquire.

[bswpayton]

Yes, you're correct I did over generalize and I will go back and edit the original post.

However, if you remember the reaction to the original Diadem gear, and look at the ridiculous number of topics on the General Discussion forum about i280 weapons in Diadem 2 you have to concede that there is an

But I keep seeing these post pop up and Im still wondering who does this benefit at all, and to me its basically nobody. It doesn't benefit raiders, doesn't benefit midcore players like myself , and it certainly doesn't benefit casual players who dont even need a 280 weapon.

This was just a stupid Idea period, its hot now because its new but once people see how much time is wasted looking for the impossible it would die down Im pretty sure. The thing is you say that it wouldn't help but I certainly do think it would of helped mid core players that didnt wana grind , shire, or anima (me personally it was because of fates), if they would of put in a level 265, or level 270 weapon with a much higher drop rate in there instead there would be no backlash.

Whats the point in putting a non obtainable weapon in there its complete bs , and leaves midcore players that are still finishing up their trails and tryin to raid with nothing just like they had before diadum. This is one of the dumbest things to happen sense I started playing the game , putting this item in helps no one other than taking them away from content that you would actually need a high level weapon for with hopes of a pipe dream drop. When they could of put 265 or 270 weapons in as well instead of a garbage .01 percent chance of getting a 280 weapon

[Zigabar]

But I keep seeing these post pop up and Im still wondering who does this benefit at all, and to me its basically nobody. It doesn't benefit raiders, doesn't benefit midcore players like myself , and it certainly doesn't benefit casual players who dont even need a 280 weapon.

It benefits SE's bottom line. Keeps players subbed during the pre-expac lull with the chance of a nice carrot at the end of the stick.

It benefits me, personally as a FC leader, to keep my members engaged and allowing us one more thing to do as a group.

[bswpayton]

It benefits SE's bottom line. Keeps players subbed during the pre-expac lull with the chance of a nice carrot at the end of the stick.

It benefits me, personally as a FC leader, to keep my members engaged and allowing us one more thing to do as a group.

So your saying people wouldnt farm it for 270 weapons , when people run void ark still every week so they can keep upgrading gear when its the first 24 man. I just find it hard to believe that everyone has all of there jobs anything above 255 kinna weapon or even a lower level weapon. They may have a main a 275, or 270 but I doubt all of the ones they play, this content would of been fine with 265 weapon or 270 weapon.

[Zigabar]

So your saying people wouldnt farm it for 270 weapons , when people run void ark still every week so they can keep upgrading gear when its the first 24 man. I just find it hard to believe that everyone has all of there jobs anything above 255 kinna weapon or even a lower level weapon. They may have a main a 275, or 270 but I doubt all of the ones they play, this content would of been fine with 265 weapon or 270 weapon.

Did I say that?

[Drakkaelus]

So let me see if I understand this.

There's a 280 weapon that can drop, but the odds of you actually getting the weapon are ridiculously small. And on top of that, the odds of you getting the weapon for the class you actually play is even smaller. And on top of that, the stats are random so even if you do get one the odds of getting one with the stats you need are even smaller. And on top of that the odds of you getting a drop for the class you play, with the stats you want before Stormblood hits and none of this matters anyway are even smaller.

Is that all of it?

[bswpayton]

Did I say that?

It was just a bad idea and really doesn't seem to help anyone but, those whom believe they can defy math and percentages. Ha I hate math and in the end this doesn't really seem to be makin very many people happy at all because it just does nothing for anyone at the end of the day. Hec Id rather them have just the 265 gear and thats all than creating an illusion of a dream that you actually have a shot at beating out 71 other people.