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[Stormrider]

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What you don't take into account is the three team variable. If a team kills to many of one team and score slides out of window of victory. "lets kill them and pad are Hand achievements." So killing to many is an extremely bad strategy, unless you know how awesome your pug is.

[Llus]

What you don't take into account is the three team variable. If a team kills to many of one team and score slides out of window of victory. "lets kill them and pad are Hand achievements." So killing to many is an extremely bad strategy, unless you know how awesome your pug is.

Reread, I did include the third team.


But let's assume that the 3rd team did 100% of the damage to the large ice while you were killing the other team. That effectively means the 3rd team is up on you by 180 (since they got 300 points for the ice, you got 120 points for destroying the 2nd team and the 2nd team is at 0 points because they can't have negative points). So at the next ice, you kill the 3rd team instead of the 2nd team and again assume the 2nd team got all the points from the ice. Now you've reduced the 3rd team's points from the first 2 large ices to 180 while your team is now at 240 and the 2nd team is at 300. However, at this point your team should have 6+ players with fevers effectively giving you an insurmountable DPS advantage.

This does assume DPS know their PVP rotations, healers know how to stay alive and keep other players alive, but the point is that people that PvP in these casual PvP modes are actively contributing as much or MORE than those that are practicing their rotations on a striking dummy and should be given assistance to secure kills and get their fevers and highs just as those that want to DPS ice should be given assistance.

[Stormrider]

Reread, I did include the third team.

You were missing what I was getting at. If one team falls to far from behind and have a few vocal players they can decide who wins. I mean a single mindedness tunnel vision bent on destruction. 48vs24 is not desirable and that is what can happen with kill first type teams. Aether has been plagued(blessed?) with premades. A lot of times third place just keeps pushing premade. Sure they get lots of points from kills but also lose some as well. While the lucky team just has to stay out of the way and do the PvE objectives for only a positive gain.

Literally third place has no desire to win. Just a desire for kills and making the team that decided to kill them lose.

Just got out of a match 500 points down since a premade farmed kills. They were pretty well tied for first at 1k in points. They ended up losing by over 500 since they couldn't handle the pressure of 24 people ignoring everything else but them.

[Llus]

You were missing what I was getting at. If one team falls to far from behind and have a few vocal players they can decide who wins. I mean a single mindedness tunnel vision bent on destruction. 48vs24 is not desirable and that is what can happen with kill first type teams. Aether has been plagued(blessed?) with premades. A lot of times third place just keeps pushing premade. Sure they get lots of points from kills but also lose some as well. While the lucky team just has to stay out of the way and do the PvE objectives for only a positive gain.

Literally third place has no desire to win. Just a desire for kills and making the team that decided to kill them lose.

Ahh, I see your point. Yea; generally a kill-only team in 72 man will start getting focused by both of the other GC's alliances and unless you have all 3 of your alliances stacked with regulars you're going to lose a ton of points because you'll be in a 2v1 situation the entire match. Which, in itself can be pretty fun even for the 2nd place and 3rd place teams - I feel bad for the 1st place team in that situation though because that must be really boring.

[Enlial]

Ahh, I see your point. Yea; generally a kill-only team in 72 man will start getting focused by both of the other GC's alliances and unless you have all 3 of your alliances stacked with regulars you're going to lose a ton of points because you'll be in a 2v1 situation the entire match. Which, in itself can be pretty fun even for the 2nd place and 3rd place teams - I feel bad for the 1st place team in that situation though because that must be really boring.

This is really more of a symptom of 3 way pvp than anything else, though I've found it to be an exception rather than a rule. Full focus due to score usually doesn't happen until late game, mainly because you run the risk of giving the third team the advantage if they choose not to assist. What is much more common, though, is that a team will feel like they're being bullied, and dog whichever GC has been pushing them the remainder of the match, regardless of score.

Actually, reliance on this occurring is the core of the "objectives only" tactic, weather people realize it or not. Counting on at least one of the other GC's being stupid, even if it does happen from time to time, isn't something I see as a valid strategy. Its been a thing since seal rock and I'm sure it'll always be around, because it does (sadly) work sometimes and confirmation bias leads people to think that its a good path to winning.

[Llus]

This is really more of a symptom of 3 way pvp than anything else, though I've found it to be an exception rather than a rule. Full focus due to score usually doesn't happen until late game, mainly because you run the risk of giving the third team the advantage if they choose not to assist. What is much more common, though, is that a team will feel like they're being bullied, and dog whichever GC has been pushing them the remainder of the match, regardless of score.

Actually, reliance on this occurring is the core of the "objectives only" tactic, weather people realize it or not. Counting on at least one of the other GC's being stupid, even if it does happen from time to time, isn't something I see as a valid strategy. Its been a thing since seal rock and I'm sure it'll always be around, because it does (sadly) work sometimes and confirmation bias leads people to think that its a good path to winning.

Yea, reliance on this strategy of objective only avoid PvP does work; but it's no better than a coin flip in most cases. When the other teams wise up and notice your score they'll often double team you and if they've gotten fever/high buffs you can say goodbye to your lead. This strategy of avoidance does seem to pay off better in seal rock vs new players when your team is in the caves as the coastal teams tend to keep fighting each other; but again this isn't really something you can count on for a win since you have a 1:3 chance of getting caves in the first place and you have no idea what the comp of the coastal teams are.

[Enlial]

Yea, reliance on this strategy of objective only avoid PvP does work; but it's no better than a coin flip in most cases.

Yeah exactly. And as someone who actually does enjoy pvp I find it extremely distasteful in principal. It assumes having very little confidence in yourself or your teammates ability to achieve victory through means of actual pvp. And if that lack of confidence is well founded, it probably *is* the best way to have at least some chance of winning a single match , but nobody is ever going to learn or get better (as you said, it is a coin flip *most* of the time, but not always). But then, that's probably fine with someone who just wants to get their rewards asap and never look back