Should SE do something about PvE toxitiy?*point PvP change*

[Ama_Hamada]

Right; I get why it was frustrating. It's just that being a jerk to someone (being sarcastic absolutely counts) is never going to improve an already-bad situation. By all means dig your heels in and get forceful, but rudely making fun of them to the entire group is rightfully going to annoy people - I'd probably have left too even if I was some irrelevant DPS player not being yelled at. Are you even sure they understood? Ask me to 'cleric less' or vaguely say you're having a hard time without any context and I'll probably have no idea what you mean, and I'm natively fluent in English - a good portion of the playerbase isn't.

I feel like a lot of people are quick to assume the worst when it's their own communication which could use work. I'm not that healer, but I've been in groups with rubbish communicators before and if they're going to work themselves into a tizz and rage at people instead of speaking more clearly then they have to accept they're part of the problem. I don't like playing with people who make fun of others rather than trying to resolve the problem. Sarcasm never resolves problems.

Asking for help from a 270 pure gear healer and 275 relic when everyone is under 50% should not be explained in detail what it means when asked "can you help heal a bit more and dps less?"

Casting DPS spells when people are in badly in need of heals is not assuming anything

Dun is STILL A RAID! A place that needs TWO healers, not one, per party.

[Serilda]

Asking for help from a 270 pure gear healer and 275 relic when everyone is under 50% should not be explained in detail what it means when asked "can you help heal a bit more and dps less?"

Casting DPS spells when people are in badly in need of heals is not assuming anything

Dun is STILL A RAID! A place that needs TWO healers, not one, per party.

Except I'm not saying you didn't need help, or that healer DPS is more important than keeping people alive and stopping the other healer having a heart attack from stress. I'm saying that complaining about people being toxic by giving examples of your friends being toxic to others in response to perceived toxicity is feeding the cycle of misery. Anyone can get ilv 270 gear with a relic if they put some time in and play with friends. It doesn't mean they know exactly what your friend wants them to do in a situation like the one being described - because in a lot of raids, leaving all of the healing to one healer and messing around with your fairy out is a perfectly valid strategy.

Seriously, as a bystander in that kind of situation I would just leave myself rather than cringe through the rest of the dungeon with an awkward atmosphere hanging over the group. Thankfully, the players on my datacenter don't treat one another that way.

[LunaFaye]

Asking for help from a 270 pure gear healer and 275 relic when everyone is under 50% should not be explained in detail what it means when asked "can you help heal a bit more and dps less?"

Casting DPS spells when people are in badly in need of heals is not assuming anything

Dun is STILL A RAID! A place that needs TWO healers, not one, per party.

Incorrect, it isn't a raid and never will be. Sure SE puts it under the raiding category in duty finder but that still doesn't make it a raid. It also doesn't need 2 healers. We learned in ARR content already (min ilvl not over geared) that most content can be healed by one healer aka solo healed. That continues into HW and while I do see some players struggling, it's pretty simple to heal/tank all regular content with only one tank/healer, if people get an understanding of their jobs.

I am pretty sure, if your friend wouldn't have put that sarcasm into the sentence, and would have just simply stated that he/she is not able to solo heal the content, that the other healer would have been more than happy to pick up the slack or help out a little bit more. But saying, dps less and heal or you are aware you need to drop cleric stance to be able to heal right? is maybe not something a lot of people would react on. In fact I can see how that would cause just the opposite and would be ignored by most people, including myself.

[Ama_Hamada]

Except I'm not saying you didn't need help, or that healer DPS is more important than keeping people alive and stopping the other healer having a heart attack from stress. I'm saying that complaining about people being toxic by giving examples of your friends being toxic to others in response to perceived toxicity is feeding the cycle of misery. Anyone can get ilv 270 gear with a relic if they put some time in and play withfriends. It doesn't mean they know exactly what your friend wants them to do in a situation like the one being described - because in a lot of raids, leaving all of the healing to one healer and messing around with your fairy out is a perfectly valid strategy.

Seriously, as a bystander in that kind of situation I would just leave myself rather than cringe through the rest of the dungeon with an awkward atmosphere hanging over the group. Thankfully, the players on my datacenter don't treat one another that way.

Wow, so you are telling me it is best not to say anything and let people die?

Incorrect, it isn't a raid and never will be. Sure SE puts it under the raiding category in duty finder but that still doesn't make it a raid. It also doesn't need 2 healers. We learned in ARR content already (min ilvl not over geared) that most content can be healed by one healer aka solo healed. That continues into HW and while I do see some players struggling, it's pretty simple to heal/tank all regular content with only one tank/healer, if people get an understanding of their jobs.

I am pretty sure, if your friend wouldn't have put that sarcasm into the sentence, and would have just simply stated that he/she is not able to solo heal the content, that the other healer would have been more than happy to pick up the slack or help out a little bit more. But saying, dps less and heal or you are aware you need to drop cleric stance to be able to heal right? is maybe not something a lot of people would react on. In fact I can see how that would cause just the opposite and would be ignored by most people, including myself.

It needs 2 healers per party when people don't dodge perfectly. It also does not help when you are expecting to share the healing and dps and all of a sudden you are stressing because people are dying when they shouldn't be due to lack of healing. Only top gear healers do this in dun, I pted with them too. If someone is hit by something they could of dodge, mistake, being new, whatever the case my be, they will not heal them at all and rather them die or let the other healer (me) heal it all.

Also you are not reading, she was only sarcastic after she asked for help and not getting it. The other person said nothing to her the hole time, what do you expect her to do that point?

[aesteval]

It also doesn't need 2 healers.

You must have a vastly different view of DF groups in there than I've seen because I would like nothing better than to be able see someone solo heal the chaos I've been exposed to in Dun Scaith. And while there may be some healers capable of solo healing the content, it doesn't mean that all healers can - especially with how chaotic things can get in a DF group. There's a reason why the devs have the DF set to place 2 healers into each party and not 1 and the devs will have more insight into the community capabilities than any single player. If someone queues as a healer, it's not unusual for other players to expect them to help contribute to healer in place of DPS when the dynamic play state and environment requires it.