New Player Got Kicked During Lost City of Mhach BY A MENTOR

[Settiesama]

Did the mentor explain? Was it acknowledged that they were new? Was there warnings on what was being done wrong and how to correct it? How many wipes did it take?

If he was warned what he was doing wrong, and continued to do it, then they are beyond a Mentors help and are just holding back the alliance in such a fight. You need more details about what actually happened, all you did in your OP was sketch around it to purposely villainize the Mentor.

[bswpayton]

I was just playing Lost City of Mhach, and watched as my friend got kicked out of a raid for not understanding how Ozma works. The person that kicked them out was a mentor of all people. I tried to explain to them how wrong this was, and yet all they did was stand there silently. They knew what they did, and they seemed to not care. This kind of behavior needs to stop. Do people not want an active player base? How are we going to do that if people treat each other this way? It makes no sense.

This isnt just mentors this is the player base of this game in general period stop blaming stuff on mentors only

[ErryK]

"Lost City of Mhach" It's Weeping City of Mhach.

[Miste]

Mentors, like forum moderators are best left out of conflict amongst other players. This is not their role to participate in, or instigate by any means. I am not saying they can't vote. I am saying they can't initiate it.

I guess we just disagree on this part :x

I believe Mentors should defend the group against harassment and part of that would be to vote kick. Depending on the level of the offense then kindly asking first for the offending player to cease their attacks on the party (or specific member in the party) is fine, but if they continue then any person in the group mentor or not should be able to initiate vote kick. Should be zero tolerance of that sort of behavior.

Especially if the group has other new players in it. They might be unaware of the vote kick system and some people might just up and leave to get away from the offending player thinking there was no way out of the situation besides that (I've seen this happen; a veteran player started harassing a sprout for some mistakes they made and the sprout didn't even say anything back, they just left the group) and this leaves me feeling so bad for the new player and angry at the harasser. So I still believe Mentors should remove those kinds of players.

I hate using the vote kick system and I rarely ever do, but I have used it in Mentor Roulette due to either new players harassing/insulting the party, or a veteran player harassing the new players who are trying to learn.

One time a veteran player even tried to vote kick out a sprout because they had trouble healing Aiatar (Brayflox) because it was their first time healing it and we wiped. I ofc said no and so did the rest I guess because the vote didn't pass. The rudeness came out after the vote kick didn't pass and they started attacking this poor new healer. I kicked him immediately. We got a replacement and we beat Aiatar second try. The healer thanked me for defending her and giving her a chance to learn to heal the fight properly.

I think it would be good to teach new players they don't have to accept verbal harassment and that the vote kick system is there to remove players who try to abuse others in chat.

But some are saints. From the time I've spent here, I would consider you one of them, among several others.

Well no human is perfect. We all have our issues and our bad times. Some players are really nice and almost always nice, but my main point was not that there are no saint-like players but the fact that definitely not every one is so nice so having tools to prevent harassment is kind of needed for any player mentor or not.

I am glad you appreciate me and I always like seeing your posts...you have this sweet kindness that I enjoy reading. I am not a saint though :x I try my best to always be kind and considerate, but I have my bad moments of frustration just like most others.

I've never known you to have a defeatist kind of mentality towards the community in general like you speak here. It is the reality. I know it is. But those who push positive influence in the community like you so often have, need to continue to push.

Yeah that was my point. That it is the reality of it so denying it or hiding it is not going to get us anywhere. The internet is the internet and there will always be some people on it that are just out to harass others and make others have a bad day. It is unfortunate...and while I still push for positive community those kinds of people will still be there. All you can do is remove them from the party so that the players being harassed can continue to play in a fun environment instead of being verbally harassed.

This has rarely happened for me, but the fact that it does happen indeed does warrant a step back to look at the repercussions.

Well there are more situations that would cause problems. I've even seen 4 mentor dungeon parties when doing mentor roulette (rare but still...the fact it could happen which could end up wasting people's play time sorta seems bad) which means there would be no one able to remove any other player for afk/offline/harassment. That wouldn't work in my opinion :/

The situation which I described already too where 3 mentors and a regular player. If the regular player ends up afk, offline, or harassing someone then none of the mentors can remove them. Or if one of the mentor players ends up afk, offline or harassing someone only the regular player would be able to kick and his vote kick could possibly be on cool down if they had to use it within the last 3-4 hours in another duty.

Other situation that I've seen very often and most common is 2 mentors and 2 regular players. If Regular Player A ends up offline, afk, or harassing someone then the only player available that could kick would be Regular Player B (and vice versa). If Regular Player A or B just got out of another duty where they had to vote kick an afk/offline member then their vote kick will be on a 4 hour cool down and be unable to kick too. So then again you are stuck with a AFK/Offline/Harassing player that no one can remove.

I know player's vote kick is usually not on cooldown, but when you end up having to rely on only one player to be able to kick the chances of not being able to kick goes up since while you are very unlikely to have 3-4 players all with their vote kick on cooldown...sometimes you may have 1-2 players that have used it recently. It might end up falling on those 1-2 players that happened to have used it and no one else has the power to initiate it because they happen to all have mentor status on.

In general my lack of agreement on removing Mentor vote kick ability is mostly just the technical aspect of it. The fact it could cause players to waste time is what makes me disagree the most. The only other aspect is just my opinion that I think Mentors should defend the group against harassment and vote kick is a tool to use to do that and totally justified even if you are a mentor or not.

[BorisDaBlade]

I would have initiated a VK for not knowing mechanics on an instance that can have catastrophic consequences for literally the ONLY mechanic a dps has to pay attention to.

And I would have initiated a VK on you as well for crying about it.

It's not the mentors' fault. It's the special snowflakes that want to be carried, or are just too lazy to look up a vid.

[PharisHanasaki]

I would have initiated a VK for not knowing mechanics on an instance that can have catastrophic consequences for literally the ONLY mechanic a dps has to pay attention to.

And I would have initiated a VK on you as well for crying about it.

It's not the mentors' fault. It's the special snowflakes that want to be carried, or are just too lazy to look up a vid.

Watching a video should not be the standard. Also, at this point, one person should not cause an entire alliance to die.
It there's a mentor in a party, it is their responsibility to explain mechanics when asked. They let you know this when you sign up to be one.
So yeah, if you want a smooth run, get a full party. New players have the right to enjoy the game as well.

[BorisDaBlade]

Watching a video should not be the standard. Also, at this point, one person should not cause an entire alliance to die.
It there's a mentor in a party, it is their responsibility to explain mechanics when asked. They let you know this when you sign up to be one.
So yeah, if you want a smooth run, get a full party. New players have the right to enjoy the game as well.

At no point did the OP say anything about his friend asking for help with mechs. And since the OP was coaching them then it's really their fault they were kicked since OP wasn't explaining it well.

As a mentor, I'm not going to hold up 22 other players to explain something. I'm sure there was more than one wipe caused by the player, but again, the OP hasn't said anything to that point. Just blamed a mentor for a VK they have no idea who initiated.

[PharisHanasaki]

As a mentor, I'm not going to hold up 22 other players to explain something.

Then sorry, but you really shouldn't be one in the first place.
Explaining mechs doesn't really take up that much time.

Again, if you want a smooth run, get a full party. Or leave and eat a penalty.

[BorisDaBlade]

Then sorry, but you really shouldn't be one in the first place.
Explaining mechs doesn't really take up that much time.

Again, if you want a smooth run, get a full party. Or leave and eat a penalty.

Why are you so focused on "get a full party"? You can have anyone in any alliance mess up stuff, full party or no.

And to that point let's blame the other 22 people in the raid that didn't pipe up to help the one player.

[ChloeGrace]

Unfortunately, too many people treat mentor status like an achievement and are only after the reward it provides. They usually have little interest in actually helping other players.