Zurvan EX - Warriors

[Bourne_Endeavor]

It is forced whens the last time you saw a zurvan learning clear or farm party that has two tanks in it. i'll answer that for you never from day one every single party has been going in with 5 dps.

Because Zurvan is so easily exploitable. People will always following the path of least resistance. You don't blame the playerbase because they found an effective way of cheesing your fight. You might it so they can't cheese the fight to begin with. Random groups aren't obliged to clear content the way you fancy. If they insist on skipping Soar and bringing a single tank, then your option is to leave their party.

If they were genuinely aiming for efficiency, they would not be wasting the LB on the second Soar. It gives no additional uptime since Zurvan is not targetable during it, so they are in fact doing the fight less efficiently because they are too lazy to learn a mechanic.

Efficiency does not necessarily mean damage. Since you have no idea how random people will perform, tank LBing Soar eliminates potential failure when the fight is near over. Assuming your damage output is decent, Zurvan dies fast enough it doesn't even matter.

[Jib]

Its ppl being lazy, that is all. I main WHM and i have even seen clear and farm groups asking specifically in their pf for SCH and AST healers leaving WHM behind.
First time i noticed this i wasnt understand why couldnt join a Group. Kept pressing the button and wouldnt Work, checked gear... 2 positions opened for healers... Then i noticed ️️that they were asking for specific jobs. In 3 cases ive noticed, Ast and SCH composition...

[ErryK]

I would agree that the fight is badly tuned, the Soar skip being at 75% as opposed to 70% or 80% has made this rift in the community of where if people don't skip Soar, it's an automatic disband for the majority of cases.

[Jetstream_Fox]

I think it's a horrible fight, both cosmetically and mechanically. I've seen people fighting over wrongly drawn graphs, positions, party composition, dps, and even not having discord. It's not even enjoyable anymore to go into that fight because 90% of the time it's going to break down, and that's both the community and the development teams fault to bear.

[Sacred_Nym]

It is forced whens the last time you saw a zurvan learning clear or farm party that has two tanks in it. i'll answer that for you never from day one every single party has been going in with 5 dps.

I actually see a fair number of 2 tank parties, typically because they want to do Claw the normal way, or they want to cheese it with the Cover method which reuires a Paladin to be Off-tanking. As a Warrior I've gotten into a few of these parties, and every single one sees two Soars before 75% and doesn't clear adds.

So yeah, it happens. They never clear, but it happens.

[Moomba33]

It is forced whens the last time you saw a zurvan learning clear or farm party that has two tanks in it. i'll answer that for you never from day one every single party has been going in with 5 dps.

I got my Zurvan Ex clear in a two tank party well after week 1. I still see two tank learning/clear parties going up on Primal. Also the occasional farm with a second tank/dps slot set.
It can't hurt to put up a two tank party and see if it fills.

[seekified]

I agree that Zurvan EX is poorly designed. While the fight mechanics themselves are good, the phasepushing you can do in there is crazy and it's created a terrible environment for pug groups. I consider Soar skips to be a very nice bonus, but not something to be mandated. Everyone should be able to handle all mechanics in a fight, regardless of if they'll be seen or not. That includes Demon Claw, by the way - as a WAR main myself, I don't understand why people have such a thing for cheesing it when it isn't even that lethal.

Actually, I'd argue that 3.5 in general felt very rushed, considering all the issues and emergency maintenance we've had since it launched.

[Jonnycbad]

Soar isn't hard, nor is Demon Claw.

I would rather them allow Demon Claw to bypass Living Dead/Hallowed Ground than to allow Holmgang to cheese it as well. Mechanics being cheesed makes fights boring.

[Voltres]

Soar isn't hard, nor is Demon Claw.

I would rather them allow Demon Claw to bypass Living Dead/Hallowed Ground than to allow Holmgang to cheese it as well. Mechanics being cheesed makes fights boring.

I agree with you. The mechanic is really easy, there is no need to skip it.