Zurvan EX - Warriors

[thegreatonemal]

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You blame the player base because they decided that they wanna go in with one tank and focus their entire tactic on skipping soar and not learning how to do it. and demon claw is why you need two tanks and hence why people dont wanna sue a warrior it cant do the 1 tank tatic all too well it require s a bunch of other stuff to work.

the soar skip requires two things gear and the ability to do your opener not everyone has the gear and by gear i mean nearing Bis not just loading up shire gear

[shao32]

if that kind of stuff turns you away of the game pray thanks you dont choose to come and play paladin at the begining of the expansion, for the only fight in all the game where WARs are kick out by the "optimal" set up for a farm by players i dont think is a big deal.

think is a great chance to try to mastering PLD or DRK to have a second main tank just for case like this, after all we can play and equip all tanks at the same time excep weapon.

[Voltres]

if that kind of stuff turns you away of the game pray thanks you dont choose to come and play paladin at the begining of the expansion, for the only fight in all the game where WARs are kick out by the "optimal" set up for a farm by players i dont think is a big deal.

think is a great chance to try to mastering PLD or DRK to have a second main tank just for case like this, after all we can play and equip all tanks at the same time excep weapon.

Yeah, I guess I'll look at it in this way. I'm already leveling my paladin. Stopped at 34 because of Awareness. Still would prefer to no have to level a new class for a single fight.

[JunseiKei]

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The mechanic is to simply soak it as a party with an OT taking the full brunt of the hit, much like Thordan's Reign. It has nothing to do with badly designed, just players wanting to enforce pumping out DPS to skip mechanics. Just as people want to skip soar, despite the mechanic being painfully easy.

If you have a warrior as the only tank, designate someone to soak it first- preferably a class with mitigation tools (BLM, DRG, MNK, NIN). When I'm stuck there on ninja, I ask a shield healer to give me shield, another for stoneskin and pop shade shift. Usually, I can survive with just shade shift and full HP, but the rest gives me ample margin for error (shield was late, stoneskin was late, HP not topped off, etc). I've seen a dragoon pop foresight and keen flurry as well as monks pop fist of earth. If storm's path is up, should be fine.

Maybe 4.0 will see a return of hard enrages before certain primal skills are triggered and the HP threshold is below a certain amount.

[alimdia]

Pretty sure it's magic dmg but yea I've done it with warrior heaps of times
1) get knocked into wall and die right as the aoe starts - healer can res you and you will be up before mech finishes. Boss should be nearly dead so weakness doesn't matter
2) for crap dps groups just ask monk or blm or anyone+mitigation to be in the front. , with everyone in the line too

[JunseiKei]

Pretty sure it's magic dmg but yea I've done it with warrior heaps of times

Interesting, if it really is magic damage, then I've seen a ton of people just eat it and live without buffs for its type. Makes it all the more humiliating to wiping to that mechanic simply because of a warrior tank.

[Bourne_Endeavor]

You blame the player base because they decided that they wanna go in with one tank and focus their entire tactic on skipping soar and not learning how to do it. and demon claw is why you need two tanks and hence why people dont wanna sue a warrior it cant do the 1 tank tatic all too well it require s a bunch of other stuff to work.

the soar skip requires two things gear and the ability to do your opener not everyone has the gear and by gear i mean nearing Bis not just loading up shire gear

How are they forced? If you dislike the group demands, you are free to leave and create your own party. The single tank strategy is a byproduct of the second tank having literally nothing to do. It isn't even pushing higher DPS. There just isn't any need for two tanks. Why bring two tanks for a mechanic you can simply Hallowed Ground through? Again, farm parties are all about efficiency.

And not at all. You need nowhere close to BiS for pushing Soar, especially seeing most groups take five DPS.

[RokkuEkkusu]

I wish the claw was not cheesable and would give a debuff to the MT, so another tank would be required. This would stop most of the cheese going on. There can be many other alternatives, but the current state of the fight is just not good.

I'll agree with you there. I mean Nidhogg had 3 tank swaps (usually the Falak, the dragoon form with the blue tethers, and Bitter Hate during final form).

Heck, even the other HW EX primals had situations where more than 1 tank is pretty much needed. Examples:
Bismarck - The different colored Sanuwas
Thordan - The Paladins; Spear of the Fury
Sephirot - Big and small adds; Towers when the debuffs aren't up (especially during 3.2 when people weren't overgeared )
Sophia - The lightning damage debuff from tankbuster, especially if not overgeared

I'd say Ravana during Final Liberation when it was relevant too, but people tend to skip that since 3.1 if DPS was high enough anyway.

[thegreatonemal]

How are they forced? If you dislike the group demands, you are free to leave and create your own party. The single tank strategy is a byproduct of the second tank having literally nothing to do. It isn't even pushing higher DPS. There just isn't any need for two tanks. Why bring two tanks for a mechanic you can simply Hallowed Ground through? Again, farm parties are all about efficiency.

And not at all. You need nowhere close to BiS for pushing Soar, especially seeing most groups take five DPS.

It is forced whens the last time you saw a zurvan learning clear or farm party that has two tanks in it. i'll answer that for you never from day one every single party has been going in with 5 dps.

[Singularity]

People farming content aim for efficiency because they'll likely be repeating the fight several times.

If they were genuinely aiming for efficiency, they would not be wasting the LB on the second Soar. It gives no additional uptime since Zurvan is not targetable during it, so they are in fact doing the fight less efficiently because they are too lazy to learn a mechanic.