Korean fan fest translation says ast changes balanced healers, do you agree?

[ToasterMan]

Yet another WHM crying thread ?

Healers are balanced now, all the pairs can be used to do Savage content, things that were not possible a few months ago.
It litterally around 18months to balance AST make it worth it.

As i already said months ago, WHM is still as good as it was, it's the same for PLD that people tend to push out.
Those two jobs are doing their job correctly and perfectly fine.

Plus we've always seen jobs more powerfull than others as patches goes on.

Hey I'm honest about wanting balance to be removed from the game. The least you could do for us here is being honest about wanting WHM removed.

[Watachy]

I tried to take this post seriously. Then I saw your sig.

And my sig is here since 3.0, you know when the AST wasn't a thing, just a mutant.
I like to actually support my party members by different buffs and think AST has a more dynamic gameplay compared to WHM.

Hey I'm honest about wanting balance to be removed from the game. The least you could do for us here is being honest about wanting WHM removed.

Guess what ? I don't want WHM to be removed. It's a good healer.
Were AST so noisy back in 3.0 when we were so bad at healing and we waited for 3.2 to be decent in diurnal and 3.4 to be decent in nocturnal, yes probably but since it was not a core job from the FF series no one was listening to us.

Accept the fact your job is doing well just a bit less than AST.
As i said, while patches goes on, buff and debuff goes too.

There is no reason to prefer AST over WHM for casual and sacage content, except for speed kills.

This is getting ridiculous, you know how we felt during 18 months and our wasn't as good as yours.

[ToasterMan]

Were AST so noisy back in 3.0 when we were so bad at healing and we waited for 3.2 to be decent in diurnal and 3.4 to be decent in nocturnal, yes probably but since it was not a core job from the FF series no one was listening to us.

Honestly that's irrelevant. That was then, and this now. I wasn't really active on here back then but if it makes you feel better I would've been right there with you with the complaints.

Accept the fact your job is doing well just a bit less than AST.
As i said, while patches goes on, buff and debuff goes too.

Well no I don't have to accept the fact that it's a bit less than AST since one, that isn't a fact that's an opinion, and two, you haven't actually provided evidence on why it isn't a big gap.

There is no reason to prefer AST over WHM for casual and savage content, except for speed kills.

You really don't know what you're talking about do you?

I think it's scholar's turn to sit on the bench for a while

Nobody should be "Sitting the bench". All jobs should be balanced to the point where all raid teams are comfortable bringing all jobs into a raid and won't pressure or force anyone to switch because the other job is clearly superior.

[Bourne_Endeavor]

There is no reason to prefer AST over WHM for casual and sacage content, except for speed kills.

Yes, there is. Astro is simply a superior job in every facet excluding Cure III. Your stance is the equivalent of arguing why bother melding once you reach the accuracy cap. You don't need that extra Crit/Det. People want it to push phases. Making each job viable doesn't mean people will take them. White Mage clears dropped a staggering 50% after the buffs to Astro were released. That is going to become worse if Stormblood fails to address these imbalances. While the jobs cannot ever be 100% balanced against each other, they can be close enough to not impact the raid. Plenty of people still bring Summoner, Black Mage and even Monk because you can make them all work without too significant a loss to raid DPS and/or utility. White Mage, on the other hand, is basically an inferior Astro.

You see, the problem with SE' way of thinking is, they're not looking at healers for the amount of damage or support they can do. They look at how well they can heal.

This was made obvious back before 3.0 raids, where Yoshi told us how everything was Balanced to not require healer DPS at all.

If you look at healing alone, WHM is indeed viable. As long as it can fulfill it's role of keeping people alive, it's good enough to SE. It's a really faulty way to look at balance if you ask me.

That... is a rather intriguing point, and one I find myself agreeing with. I've long suspected their solution to White Mage will slapping even more raw healing onto it despite that being precisely why it got booted from the meta. Hopefully, we all are proven wrong and they surprise us.