Results 1 to 10 of 765

Hybrid View

  1. #1
    Player
    Lyrica_Ashtine's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2013
    Posts
    1,132
    Character
    Sadako Yamamura
    World
    Phoenix
    Main Class
    Marauder Lv 1
    Quote Originally Posted by Seoulstar View Post
    A SCH afking and letting the fairy do the healing is not the same thing as a person physically being there and doing the healing themselves.
    Is it really not, though? A group can't finish the duty normally when neither healer are present. Be it a White Mage that (only) heals manually or a Scholar that lets the fairy do it. The end result is that in case of either that the duty can be completed. And in case neither healer are putting effort into damage contribution, the clearing speed/time is roughly the same. Kicking one for putting in no effort in comparison who puts in a little effort is one of the very base reasoning why healers should be contributing in damage: Effort, or to be more precise equality in effort.
    (4)

  2. #2
    Player
    Feyona's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2015
    Posts
    663
    Character
    Reigne Bo
    World
    Omega
    Main Class
    Scholar Lv 70
    Quote Originally Posted by Lyrica_Ashtine View Post
    Is it really not, though? A group can't finish the duty normally when neither healer are present. Be it a White Mage that (only) heals manually or a Scholar that lets the fairy do it. The end result is that in case of either that the duty can be completed. And in case neither healer are putting effort into damage contribution, the clearing speed/time is roughly the same.
    I have stated thi before but will repeat even if you are just watching health bars you have to still be 'on call' at any moment to heal, some could argue this is mental effort you need to be 'present' in more than one capacity. Now in the real world you often get paid for being on call out duty, because its not the same as relaxing and doing your own thing. Its really not the same as being afk in my opinion, or doing nothing at all. Maybe the effort is more mental than physical, cant be measured though. When I play tank I think its more mental effort than physical
    (0)

  3. #3
    Player
    Lyrica_Ashtine's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2013
    Posts
    1,132
    Character
    Sadako Yamamura
    World
    Phoenix
    Main Class
    Marauder Lv 1
    Quote Originally Posted by Feyona View Post
    I have stated thi before but will repeat even if you are just watching health bars you have to still be 'on call' at any moment to heal, some could argue this is mental effort you need to be 'present' in more than one capacity. Now in the real world you often get paid for being on call out duty, because its not the same as relaxing and doing your own thing. Its really not the same as being afk in my opinion, or doing nothing at all. Maybe the effort is more mental than physical, cant be measured though. When I play tank I think its more mental effort than physical
    Sure, let's look at it from a mental capacity standpoint then.
    Healer A tunnels on the healthbars and reactively casts spells
    Healer B has eyes on youtube/netflix, glances once in a while to move, and casts spells once in a while

    Both healers get the job done. Now how can you, as someone in the party, tell the difference between the two? I'm sorry, but "mental effort" is not much of an argument, considering this contradicts your other statement:
    Quote Originally Posted by Feyona View Post
    Yes and I dont want to develop high blood pressure caused by the stress of seeing someone dying cos Ive just gone in cleric and have to wait 5 secs to get out of it.
    If simply watching the health bars fluctuate requires so much mental strain/effort that you are incapable of doing other things. This will very well help you develop high blood pressure.

    That aside, I've mentioned that both the lazy and the other healer both can get the job done. But you (and Seoulstar) are keen on kicking the more lazy one. Or at least very judging on this kind of healer. May I call hypocrisy? If there are players out there who are willing to kick "lazy healers", why would you kick healers that are even more lazy? It's not like you know what's going on in their head, thus you can't judge whether they are uncomfortable with damage contribution or not. Yet the described netflix/afk healer seems more deserving to get kicked out while they can get the job done just as well.
    So let's shift the effort levels a bit and you're the healer now that's not willing to contribute damage, but still get the job done. The other player is now in your mindset that the healer deserves a kick for not putting in enough effort. So where are we now?
    (6)