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  1. #11
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    Underdog2204's Avatar
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    Dacien Valtin
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    Quote Originally Posted by ShaneDawn View Post
    None so far, but raising awareness about the issues caused by similar design can never be wrong, right? I'm not trying to make Doom-and-Gloom statements, but rather be realistic about even the existing design being rather problematic to a degree.
    Just coz you dislike RNG doesn't make it bad, I for one enjoy a lil luck when it comes to my jobs. Gives them a lil extra spice xD

    You arn't just raising awareness about something (that hasn't even happened), you are actually advocating for something - "Thread: Please let Astrologians Pick the First Cards outside combat within Raiding Instances"
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    Last edited by Underdog2204; 03-03-2017 at 11:33 PM.

  2. #12
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    ShaneDawn's Avatar
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    Shannon Dawn
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    Moogle
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    Quote Originally Posted by Underdog2204 View Post
    Just coz you dislike RNG doesn't make it bad, I for one enjoy a lil luck when it comes to my jobs. Gives them a lil extra spice xD

    You arn't just raising awareness about something, you are actually advocating for something - "Thread: Please let Astrologians Pick the First Cards outside combat within Raiding Instances"
    I don't dislike RNG as a whole. I just dislike twiddling my thumbs, not doing anything during our effective raiding hours.

    Also, I made a proposition regarding AST in raids, as well as pointed out why I see problem in similar design. Perhaps my choice of title wasn't a perfect one, but I see no point in twisting the semantics.

    Anyways, I appreciate the thoughts, but obviously we don't see eye-to-eye in this.
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    Last edited by ShaneDawn; 03-03-2017 at 11:42 PM.

  3. #13
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    Alynn Kertia
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    I say no just because RNG cards are essential to what an AST is and makes up the core of their contributions to raids/whatnot. I'm sorry you had to wait 13 minutes to pull a balance but like Kitfox said, this won't affect many ASTs. Plus, being able to spread a card and RR prior is already a perk of some sort unless you're being synced down.
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  4. #14
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    Dodogamo Bobogamo
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    Quote Originally Posted by ShaneDawn View Post
    that is absolutely awful: having to wait for the right cards so you can pull with same buffs present consistently.
    Oh, ok.
    I also dislike to wait 50sec on warrior opener.
    Please SE, warriors should gain 5 Wraths prepull without losing it till pull just like machinist with ammunition! /ironyoff

    Sure, make AST more op lol...
    chose the card... seems legit. I think in this case i would change to AST too cause it would be so extremely overpowered.
    Even if it's only for pull
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  5. #15
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    Quote Originally Posted by Arg0n View Post
    Oh, ok.
    I also dislike to wait 50sec on warrior opener.
    Please SE, warriors should gain 5 Wraths prepull without losing it till pull just like machinist with ammunition! /ironyoff

    Sure, make AST more op lol...
    chose the card... seems legit. I think in this case i would change to AST too cause it would be so extremely overpowered.
    Even if it's only for pull
    Waiting a set period of time is a whole different instance than waiting for an indefinite time to get that """""dream"""" pull.

    Also you might want to read the comments before you put words in my mouth:

    Quote Originally Posted by ShaneDawn View Post
    AST in terms of class-balance is a whole another can of worms entirely.
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  6. #16
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    Yui Oshima
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    Sure let's make AST even more broken! Who cares at this point right?
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  7. #17
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    Boris Taglia
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    Quote Originally Posted by ToasterMan View Post
    Sure let's make AST even more broken! Who cares at this point right?
    I was just going to say this! Your never see any healer but AST in raids ever again. Both being able to queue aoe balance. One with regen and another with shields? Yeah no pet heals and raid wide buff cleanses, but the loss in SCH dps would surely be picked up by the spoon fed balances.

    Maybe a better idea would be to allow a SCH to proc a crit Aldo like the AST bene2, to do deployment tactics. And give it something like a 30 second count so it can be used when needed. And give WHM a 25% stoneskin. Then all healers would be broken, YAY!!
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  8. #18
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    Azi Kerilade
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    Odin
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    Quote Originally Posted by ToasterMan View Post
    Sure let's make AST even more broken! Who cares at this point right?
    Yeah, since cutting couple minutes of time before pull makes it "more broken".

    Last time I had to draw 8 cards before I got spire/ewer, with each having 30 second cooldown between, before we could start fight.
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  9. #19
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    Talya Stormbreaker
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    Lamia
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    Making the party wait while fishing AOE Balances for the opener in Zurvan EX...yeah, I feel your pain. But asking for this is too OP.
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  10. #20
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    Renard Lefeuvre
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    While I am neither on the dev team nor someone who would actually want this to happen, a sadistic solution to this player-created problem could be to only let ASTs draw cards after combat has commenced, or something equally frustrating. Be careful what you wish for.

    (The actual suggestion is too overpowered though, sorry; we all know which cards every AST would choose, so they may as well just remove the lesser cards entirely for pure, overwhelming consistency.)
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