Compromise: Just Charge $5 For Now. Once 2.0 is Out, Then Charge $12

[AamesxDavid]

This is the Fallacy of the Excluded Middle. Or put another way, a False Dilemma.

You're either trying to shoehorn in debate jargon to distract from your illegitimate argument, or you haven't been paying attention...

You're trying to frame this so that there are only two extreme possibilities: Pay full price or leave, without allowing for any reasonable third option.

...because this isn't what I've been saying. So to make this as clear as possible, I'm going to address your middle ground directly.

Yours is a group that claims $12 a month is too high a price, and that half that would be the difference between you continuing to play, and cancelling your subscription. I accept that this may be the case - nowhere did I ever say that no one can genuinely enjoy the game only enough to pay $5 or $6, but not $12. I am sure those people exist. However, I do not believe that you, or anyone who has posted in this thread, is among them. And the reason for that is simple: you are constantly going on about how much you want to continue playing the game.

Paying half price rather than full means you are enjoying the game half as much as you think you should be for a full subscription fee. And if that were the case, you wouldn't care enough to be arguing about it. If I see a game for $60 that is only worth $30 to me, I don't buy it - but I also don't write the developer about how they should lower the price of their game because I really want to play it, but can't justify the price. If I wanted to play that badly, I'd pay for the damn thing.

[Zanfire]

But the Question is,

Concerning all the costs of having SE keep up their Servers, pay there GMs, pay their 250 people, NOW currently working on FFXIV in general, Server maintenance (Implementation of patches).

All that nice stuff that SE has to do to keep ALL servers open as well.. do you really HONESTLY think that 5-6 bucks a month with the current fanbase as it is, will cover all of those cost, to either remain even or even make ( somewhat) of a profit?

You have to look at the bigger picture, and be in SE position Right now. When it comes down to crunching the numbers, discounting the game ( with its current fanbase as it is) will only cover (maybe) half the costs.

Edit: Also More money= More Resources= Better Version 2.0

Our money= Investment= Better Version 2.0

Can't their be a Happy Medium?

Or do you want a what you call " an unfinished product" again?

Also, a lot of people want to see the Success of FFXIV correct? ( I don't know why this is even an arguement :/) I understand, the peopel want to get what they are paying for.. I understand that completely.. but if 2.0 doesn't succeed Our 2.0 Dream will be nothing but a dream. We say we want a game that we can all play, that we can all enjoy together as a community. We say that we support FFXIV and Yoshi-P to get the job done.

We say a lot of things, but the question is:

Is this the truth behind the eyes of the players?

Or is this the " Daggers behind a persons smile" trick?

We all got 1 and 1/4th year Free: You may call it a Business Tactic by SE, maybe it is ( and probably is) but could have also shut down the server ( to retain money) and rebuild FFXIV 2.0. That to is also a Business tactic ( and a more money saver going this route and leaving the players who want to play FFXIV in the dust) . They could have easily have done this with a snap of a finger.

They are Dedicated to making this game Superior over any other MMO ( one step at a time though) getting this MMO standing on its 2 feet.

I know I'm doing my part in making the success of this game happen, if it requires my 12.99 ( or a discounted price if they choose to go this route) then that's exactly what i'm going to do.

did you understand what he said there with the watermelon example? like he said, you mat charge less, but get more people by doing so, which in turn ends up being more money. They need to figure out "do we put it full price now and risk losing a larger amount of people possibly (which can mean future costume loss also) or do we discount to get more people to stay (and possibly keep more future costumers around). Of course the # of people who dont stay due to full price cost is the big mystery....how many people will they really gain? how many can they really lose (in both current and future prospects)

its a risk either way, they just have to decide with the info they have available to them if one way is better then the other.

[Zanfire]

You're either trying to shoehorn in debate jargon to distract from your illegitimate argument, or you haven't been paying attention...



...because this isn't what I've been saying. So to make this as clear as possible, I'm going to address your middle ground directly.

Yours is a group that claims $12 a month is too high a price, and that half that would be the difference between you continuing to play, and cancelling your subscription. I accept that this may be the case - nowhere did I ever say that no one can genuinely enjoy the game only enough to pay $5 or $6, but not $12. I am sure those people exist. However, I do not believe that you, or anyone who has posted in this thread, is among them. And the reason for that is simple: you are constantly going on about how much you want to continue playing the game.

Paying half price rather than full means you are enjoying the game half as much as you think you should be for a full subscription fee. And if that were the case, you wouldn't care enough to be arguing about it. If I see a game for $60 that is only worth $30 to me, I don't buy it - but I also don't write the developer about how they should lower the price of their game because I really want to play it, but can't justify the price. If I wanted to play that badly, I'd pay for the damn thing.

most people dont want to play "that badly". I enjoy the game for sure, but there are still plenty of issues and not as much content as i would like, that paying a full price, knowing full well that we will in 1 year have a DRASTICALLY different game, fixing many of peoples issues.

to a lot of people, its hard to justify paying full price to play the "inferior" version of the game. Plenty of people would rather wait til 2.0, but there are also a good majority that CAN justify paying less, for whats is really a "lesser" version of the game.

[AmyRae]

All that nice stuff that SE has to do to keep ALL servers open as well.. do you really HONESTLY think that 5-6 bucks a month with the current fanbase as it is, will cover all of those cost, to either remain even or even make ( somewhat) of a profit?

If you've been paying attention, you'd see what I'm getting at. If SE can get more than twice the players to keep playing by offering a 50% discount, then they end up getting more money. That is, getting more money so they can make 2.0 a success.

Many people aren't completely satisfied with the current product, but a discount could convince quite a number of those people to stay. If it's enough to make SE even more money than if they charged full price, why wouldn't they consider this option?

[Starlord]

did you understand what he said there with the watermelon example? like he said, you mat charge less, but get more people by doing so, which in turn ends up being more money. They need to figure out "do we put it full price now and risk losing a larger amount of people possibly (which can mean future costume loss also) or do we discount to get more people to stay (and possibly keep more future costumers around). Of course the # of people who dont stay due to full price cost is the big mystery....how many people will they really gain? how many can they really lose (in both current and future prospects)

its a risk either way, they just have to decide with the info they have available to them if one way is better then the other.

Like I said, if they choose that option, i'm not complain less money to pay. However, I think its worth the investment if they charge the full price considering, they need all the resources they can get to make this into a better game.

If they do 6.99 Great

If they do 12.99 Great

Personally, which ever way they choose to do I'm completely fine with. because I know I want to see this game a Success and doing so.. will pay into this " Investment" ( which ever the cost maybe) to give them better Sources to forge this game into something great.

[Starlord]

If you've been paying attention, you'd see what I'm getting at. If SE can get more than twice the players to keep playing by offering a 50% discount, then they end up getting more money. That is, getting more money so they can make 2.0 a success.

Many people aren't completely satisfied with the current product, but a discount could convince quite a number of those people to stay. If it's enough to make SE even more money than if they charged full price, why wouldn't they consider this option?

With the Current player base, a Discounted price I'm completely unsure of if they will merit a better income then 12.99.. It's a Gambler's chance at that point weather they stick to 12.99 or Discounted.

I'm Neutral, so either way they go about it I'm fine with. If the success of FFXIV means paying 6.99~12.99 then I will do so to get it there.

This " Unfinished product" business is a monkey on peoples backs because of how the game launch.

If the game were to have launched at being at 1.20.

Would you feel its a complete game or rather: " Launch worth of the entitlement to pay 12.99?"

[AmyRae]

Yours is a group that claims $12 a month is too high a price, and that half that would be the difference between you continuing to play, and cancelling your subscription. I accept that this may be the case - nowhere did I ever say that no one can genuinely enjoy the game only enough to pay $5 or $6, but not $12. I am sure those people exist. However, I do not believe that you, or anyone who has posted in this thread, is among them. And the reason for that is simple: you are constantly going on about how much you want to continue playing the game.

You may enjoy eating at McDonald's once in awhile, but you wouldn't expect to pay fine dining prices to do so.

This isn't a full-fledged MMO operating at competitive standards. That's always been the problem with FFXIV, and it will continue to be in that state until 2.0 is done. I don't have any classes at 50; I can't bring myself to play long enough to do so. I enjoy the game enough to play now and then and see how it's progressing, but I don't feel like my money is well spent paying full price for FFXIV in its current form.

That's simply how I value it, and if there are enough people who feel the same as I do, it would be in everyone's interest to have us stick around. Otherwise, I will sit out until 2.0 draws near. I'm fine with that. But I think there's merit in exploring other options.

[TheVedis]

You may enjoy eating at McDonald's once in awhile, but you wouldn't expect to pay fine dining prices to do so.

This isn't a full-fledged MMO operating at competitive standards. That's always been the problem with FFXIV, and it will continue to be in that state until 2.0 is done. I don't have any classes at 50; I can't bring myself to play long enough to do so. I enjoy the game enough to play now and then and see how it's progressing, but I don't feel like my money is well spent paying full price for FFXIV in its current form.

That's simply how I value it, and if there are enough people who feel the same as I do, it would be in everyone's interest to have us stick around. Otherwise, I will sit out until 2.0 draws near. I'm fine with that. But I think there's merit in exploring other options.

this isnt a full ledge mmo is incorrect

this isnt a full fledge veteran mmo is the more appropriate way to state it

also, this game will charge less then most other MMOs out there even at its "full price subscription", FF fans have always had that luxury of not paying 15 a month and instead paying a reduced price


the point is, people will pay for it if they enjoy the game, they arent going to choose mostly based on a price point but rather if they want to play it still or not

the same way gamers have always chosen

[JackDaniels]

You know what I'm gonna do until 2.0 just because there is no point to do otherwise until the game is ready? DoL DoH. I already own animal crossing and theres no monthly payments sooooo...

EDIT: maybe I will feel different come jobs, skill chains, and exp chain revamp.. but.. we havent gotten there yet. I'm starting to think that not only are yoshida and wada not only bad sales-people, but some subleties get lost in translation. maybe the game won't be that bad post 1.20 and even better 1.21.

[AamesxDavid]

most people dont want to play "that badly".

If they didn't, then they wouldn't be here. The same way I don't post on forums for games I don't feel are worth the money. If the game is only worth half the asking price to you, it shouldn't be worth arguing over.

paying a full price, knowing full well that we will in 1 year have a DRASTICALLY different game, fixing many of peoples issues.

to a lot of people, its hard to justify paying full price to play the "inferior" version of the game.

What we'll have in the future has nothing to do with it. By that logic, every patch deserves its own special discount, to make up for you having played the "inferior" version. If you want your argument to be taken seriously, stop with that nonsense. You enjoyment of the current game shouldn't be altered by the fact that it will be better later.