Should healers now be allowed to play how they choose to play?

[Taika]

oh rly? xD

What are you trying to say? I don't see her arguing that people should kick anyone, she just stated a fact that some people do kick others. Are you now just misreading intentionally?

[Feyona]

Enough with the silly strawman arguments. Absolutely no one here has suggested anything like kicking people who don't cast 100%. The only discussions about removing people from party have - from what I've seen - concerned people who literally stand afk or /follow the tank or are otherwise being intentionally useless to their party.

Oh it definitely is being suggested if I had time I would give you examples but just read the posts, like, If I see a healer not dpsing I will vote kick, or you have to be casting all the time or you are being carried etc etc.Even other pepole coming in with an odd remark not opposed to dps have called it hostile or words like it. I'm not being meticulous here with wording but its there

[Kitfox]

my point is that im one of the less who's actually fine with healers who don't wanna dps - yours is to convince people that your opinion is the one and only way to play.

There is only one optimal way to play, it's a fact, not an opinion. What you do in the light of that fact is really up to you. I'm just trying to argue for people to actually use their head a bit, logic and reason, instead of opinions and baseless assumptions.

Of course, you don't have to play optimally, many people don't. Even I don't but I sure as hell try my best. But when people intentionally play suboptimally, they should be ready to accept the consequenses. Some people accept you, some people don't, and you'll just have to live with it.

My personal experience is that people are much more accommodating towards you if you put an honest effort into your actions and try your best to be useful to the group. Sometimes that isn't enough if the results don't match the expectations, but there's not much we can do about it. Everyone makes their decisions individually about who they want to play with.

[Feyona]

There is only one optimal way to play, it's a fact, not an opinion. What you do in the light of that fact is really up to you. I'm just trying to argue for people to actually use their head a bit, logic and reason, instead of opinions and baseless assumptions.


My personal experience is that people are much more accommodating towards you if you put an honest effort into your actions and try your best to be useful to the group. Sometimes that isn't enough if the results don't match the expectations, but there's not much we can do about it. Everyone makes their decisions individually about who they want to play with.

Well in my experience even if you try your still booted if u cant do it, everyone is more demanding of optimal play than ever before and focus is on healer dps, for the majority of instances now where before it used to be the odd content that couldnt be cleared without it

[Lyrica_Ashtine]

Well in my experience even if you try your still booted if u cant do it, everyone is more demanding of optimal play than ever before and focus is on healer dps, for the majority of instances now where before it used to be the odd content that couldnt be cleared without it

What you experience isn't a valid argument to bring on the table of any form of discussion. I could say in contrary that I've never experienced anyone getting booted for not being able to do it. Whose argument here holds more water as both state the opposite?

[Lunafreya]

Thank you very much for your post but wonder if you actually read mine. Your entitled to your opinion ofc, but my views may differ. You will get lots of likes for that. Have a good day, being 'a true healer' whatever that is

This isn't about getting likes madam. I was simply analyzing the way I play a healer which I think is the best way. Your views differ but be aware that you'll be called a lazy healer if you decide to play like this.

[Feyona]

What you experience isn't a valid argument to bring on the table of any form of discussion. I could say in contrary that I've never experienced anyone getting booted for not being able to do it. Whose argument here holds more water as both state the opposite?

With respect your experience isnt mine, and I will bring to the table whatever experience I like or is that not an option as well? And if the next 2 people say its their experience does that make yours null and void? To lambdafish, you really can sit there and say that you can guarantee i was not booted for not putting in effort wow thats amazing you can read minds and situations retrospectively. and you have no idea what I do or how I am in agroup And to dement just cos you havent experinced something doesnt mean it doesnt exist and if my exrience is anecdotal then so is yours

[Lambdafish]

With respect your experience isnt mine, and I will bring to the table whatever experience I like or is that not an option as well?

Experience or not; communication, effort, and a positive attitude will get you much further with a party than a "I play how I like" attitude. You may have been booted because you rubbed the party the wrong way or many other reasons, but I can guarantee you that you weren't booted for putting in effort as Lyrica would like you to.

[Dement]

With respect your experience isnt mine, and I will bring to the table whatever experience I like or is that not an option as well?

You can certainly bring to the table whatever experience you wish but it's a poor form for discussion. Anecdotal evidence is always to be taken with a grain of salt as your experience may not and likely doesn't represent the community as a whole. I can personally say that I've never seen a healer kicked for not DPSing in dungeons. I've never seen a healer kicked for not DPSing in Hard Mode trials. I've never seen a healer kicked for not DPSing in Extreme trials where the extra damage was unnecessary to clear and/or was not incredibly beneficial to skipping mechanics. That being said, there's no reason for a healer not to DPS in pretty much any of that content once their healing duties have been tended to.

There... now we have lots of anecdotal evidence floating around and it's now safe to confirm that healers are safe to play however they like in most content without fear of reprisal. This is why arguments aren't conducted from a point of "in my experience" because it's incredibly easy for my experience to refute your experience.

[Saito_S]

Wow. Over 60 pages. This topic keeps coming back, and for the life of me I don't get why.

When you're new, sure, take it easy, learn the fights, etc. No problem. But if you are perfectly capable of throwing out DPS, and you just refuse to because you don't feel like it, or you are clinging to some sort of principled stance that healers "shouldn't" DPS because they're called healers, then that's just bollocks. Having a green, instead of red or blue, icon next to your name does not entitle you to stand around doing nothing for 50% or more of a boss fight. Get over yourselves. If you have absolutely nothing to do in terms of healing, status cleansing, or defensive mitigation for several GCDs worth of time, and you spend those GCDs actually doing literally nothing (or just overhealing like there's no tomorrow), then yeah, you're kind of a lousy healer.

It's a bit hard to fathom people defending this. Standing around or doing the Moogle Dance because you have nothing better to do at that time and refuse to cast offensive magicks just because isn't a "playstyle." It's letting your party carry you, and disrespecting their time, and for what?