Dragoon is coming, but will our gallant companion be joining us?

[TheVedis]

Utterly irrelevant.

not at all it isnt

saying a dragoon MUST have a wyvern to be a dragoon because 1 single game out of every game out there with dragoons had them, says basicaly, that you dont know your wyvern vs dragoon history

[Vackashken]

not at all it isnt

saying a dragoon MUST have a wyvern to be a dragoon because 1 single game out of every game out there with dragoons had them, says basicaly, that you dont know your wyvern vs dragoon history

No - its utterly irrelevant because lore changes game per game. 11 had it - so 14 could have it too. 9 quasi had it so it could be in 14 too. If none of them had it it could still be in 14. There is no imperative formula either way.

[TheVedis]

No - its utterly irrelevant because lore changes game per game. 11 had it - so 14 could have it too. 9 quasi had it so it could be in 14 too. If none of them had it it could still be in 14. There is no imperative formula either way.

ok so by that argumenet, the lore changes, and dragoons dont need wyverns anymore
and its ok because lore changes

[Vackashken]

ok so by that argumenet, the lore changes, and dragoons dont need wyverns anymore
and its ok because lore changes

Sure - I never said it was adamant. I simply said I wanted one and argued the point they could be here instead of "its impossible!!!!!" as some are saying.

[TheVedis]

Sure - I never said it was adamant. I simply said I wanted one and argument the point they could be here instead of "its impossible!!!!!".

well as of right now, it is imposible, they havent implemented a way of dealing with pets

but in the end, traditionaly, dragoons have NOT had wyverns as pets, they are dragon slayers of sorts instead(hence the name dragon knight which was turned into dragoon)

saying that they arent real dragoons(as per the OP) without a wyvern is just down right inacurate

[Arcell]

not at all it isnt

saying a dragoon MUST have a wyvern to be a dragoon because 1 single game out of every game out there with dragoons had them, says basicaly, that you dont know your wyvern vs dragoon history

Agreed, it's pretty ridiculous. It also kind of clues you in on how much FF history they know. Just because XI did it doesn't mean every other FF game must. Dragoons are generally distinguished by the Jump ability and wielding spears of some sort, not by having a wyvern pet.

No - its utterly irrelevant because lore changes game per game. 11 had it - so 14 could have it too. 9 quasi had it so it could be in 14 too. If none of them had it it could still be in 14. There is no imperative formula either way.

Lore changes but the distinguishing features of certain classes stay mostly similar. As stated above Dragoons are characterized by spears and the Jump ability. True they could have wyvern pets but it does not distinguish one as a Dragoon. FFTA Dragoons had AoE cone breath abilities but that doesn't make it a distinguishing characteristic of Dragoon.

[Vackashken]

Lore changes but the distinguishing features of certain classes stay mostly similar. As stated above Dragoons are characterized by spears and the Jump ability. True they could have wyvern pets but it does not distinguish one as a Dragoon. FFTA Dragoons had AoE cone breath abilities but that doesn't make it a distinguishing characteristic of Dragoon.

And people are asking for the "distinguishing features" to be dismissed because they want a wyvern? Dragoon are characterized by spears and jump ability? I'm pretty sure we had those in 11 as well. Seems it meets your criteria there. Your arguments against are meaningless. Fact of the matter is someone could just as easily say wyvern are a part of the overall lore now because 11 had them.

Like it or not they are part of the over all lore so could either fit into the game or not. Stating however, there is no place for them because other games didn't have them is a misnomer. 1 did - 1 in the same venue we are playing now. An MMO.

[grandm]

Agreed, it's pretty ridiculous. It also kind of clues you in on how much FF history they know. Just because XI did it doesn't mean every other FF game must. Dragoons are generally distinguished by the Jump ability and wielding spears of some sort, not by having a wyvern pet.




Lore changes but the distinguishing features of certain classes stay mostly similar. As stated above Dragoons are characterized by spears and the Jump ability. True they could have wyvern pets but it does not distinguish one as a Dragoon. FFTA Dragoons had AoE cone breath abilities but that doesn't make it a distinguishing characteristic of Dragoon.

i agree with you that the dragoon needs a lance and jump to be a dragoon, not a wyvern. but just to point out a little FF history the most famous dragoon. (in my opinion) kain highwind didn't have a lance he had swords (if he had lances he wasn't restricted to them) but every dragoon after him had a lance and jump that is what defines dragoons. anyway to them that want the wyvern, stop being greedy i seen the pic's your getting some wicked armour :P

[Jennestia]

Agreed, it's pretty ridiculous. It also kind of clues you in on how much FF history they know. Just because XI did it doesn't mean every other FF game must. Dragoons are generally distinguished by the Jump ability and wielding spears of some sort, not by having a wyvern pet.

Here's the thing: Lore wise, Dragoons have always had ties to Dragons in some way -- FFXI manifestated that tie and gave us a Wyvern pet because it's the wyvern we saved. They're not called Dragon Knights simply because it sounded cool, they're called Dragon Knights because they're linked to Dragons in some way. Some FFs show this better than others.

FFXI is the only other online iteration of FF, which a deeper backstory for Dragoon in particular, so naturally, you'd think with the advent of new lore into FF pertaining to DRG, they'd follow it up somehow because every FF game with Summons, Bahamaut has always been a 'leader' which followed suit in XI as well.

[ellohwell]

Here's the thing: Lore wise, Dragoons have always had ties to Dragons in some way -- FFXI manifestated that tie and gave us a Wyvern pet because it's the wyvern we saved. They're not called Dragon Knights simply because it sounded cool, they're called Dragon Knights because they're linked to Dragons in some way. Some FFs show this better than others.

FFXI is the only other online iteration of FF, which a deeper backstory for Dragoon in particular, so naturally, you'd think with the advent of new lore into FF pertaining to DRG, they'd follow it up somehow because every FF game with Summons, Bahamaut has always been a 'leader' which followed suit in XI as well.

Please, please, please for the love of all things holy graduate from your infatuation with FFXI. I agree that dragoons need some relationship with dragons, and I'm sure the writers in this game will give them that. Dragons already have an important role in the lore in this game, so it's not like the potential isn't there.