Dear Paladins: please don't "Cover" dark knights

[Claire_Pendragon]

Is it really extra when it comes at the cost of the Dark Knight's MP, Reprisal, and Low Blows?

While I agree with you, technically its possible to see Reprisal on the boss, and see the Blood Price effect wear off the DRK, which is then safe to use cover. (and of course remove it once u get ur proc (Im fairly sure PLD can remove it themselves, but i might be wrong on that)

But that would require a supper attentive PLD lol.

[Minnel]

Is it really extra when it comes at the cost of the Dark Knight's MP, Reprisal, and Low Blows?

You heard the man! Buff pld dmg to a point where it overshawdows DK by a margin and this wont be an issue anymore.
And so SE should buff shield swipe potency to 30,000. So now, DKs won't have to complain about covers.


Kappa

[SundayTrash]

I like cover drk during a10n steamroller.

[Schan]

@OP

My advice would be to change the title to "please don't use cover whe blood price is up", cuz i'm sure you don't get MP back passively when you're not using that buff.

When Blood Price is down I don't see the problem of being Covered, but maybe i've missed something.

[ManuelBravo]

More like PLEASE PLEASE Don't cover just because you can. If we are NOT in danger DON'T COVER. if we are running around trying to avoid mobs THEN perhaps it might be a reason, if we are using Living Dead, the YES pls cover.

[EusisLandale]

When Blood Price is down I don't see the problem of being Covered, but maybe i've missed something.

Can't put Reprisal up if we can't parry. Can't get early resets on Low Blow if we can't parry.
If they could turn it off after getting their Shield Swipe it'd be less of an issue, but since it has to stay up that's 12 seconds without those abilities.
So maybe they wait until Blood Price and Reprisal are both down. That still leaves Low Blow. Thanks to the Low Blows passive parries are essentially worth 30 potency on average. I don't know the exact rate on parrying, but if we were to assume that Dark Dance puts it at around 50% that means every incoming attack is worth an average of 15 potency to the Dark Knight. 10 attacks redirected is all it takes to end up making Shield Swipe hold a neutral effect on overall group potency, any more than that and you start dropping the group.
So Blood Price, Reprisal and maybe Dark Dance, which can be ignored if there's a low rate of incoming swings, all need to be down for Cover to not be an annoyance. A group that frequently works together could easily arrange as such, a random though? They're not going to put that much thought into it.

[Schan]

I was just speaking from a gettin MP back perspective. I wasn't really talking about DPS, but I normally only use DKs in dungeons and I'm not really looking to go max deeps there. I just want my party to get to the end in one piece.

[Silver-Strider]

I wouldn't waste the CD on another tank.
A melee DPS so they can ignore a mechanic? Sure
A healer on the verge of death? Absolutely
Another Tank? Why? I'll just tank swap and it would serve the same purpose.

[Llus]

I wouldn't waste the CD on another tank.
A melee DPS so they can ignore a mechanic? Sure
A healer on the verge of death? Absolutely
Another Tank? Why? I'll just tank swap and it would serve the same purpose.

PLD's cover mechanic has been used in MANY situations where WAR went MT to gain extra DPS, avoid a tank swap and to mitigate tankbusters throughout ARR, you're seeing that same mechanic being used with DRKs, but that will actually lower overall raid DPS when used at the wrong time. So, yea - continue to use the cover mechanic if WAR is going MT and in DPS stance to mitigate and get that shield swipe proc; but lay off with DRKs unless you've discussed it.

[Silver-Strider]

PLD's cover mechanic has been used in MANY situations where WAR went MT to gain extra DPS, avoid a tank swap and to mitigate tankbusters throughout ARR, you're seeing that same mechanic being used with DRKs, but that will actually lower overall raid DPS when used at the wrong time. So, yea - continue to use the cover mechanic if WAR is going MT and in DPS stance to mitigate and get that shield swipe proc; but lay off with DRKs unless you've discussed it.

The only time I could remember using Cover in ARR content was in T13 for the melee dps to avoid earthshakers and maybe Ramuh ex if the MT wanted to eat orbs instead of swapping to help out the healers from burning everything on the weakened heals they'd end up doing. Maybe I missed something but Cover just never struck me as much use outside those very few instances, especially since WAR was in propectual Defiance anyways back then so there wasn't much need for it.