The Feast.

[ThirdChild_ZKI]

No. . . not it doesn't.

When a team predominantly made of BRDs gets stuck fighting on/across a bridge, grouped up against SMNs, while a PLD, DRG, and MNK freely run in and out taking people down, and the enemy PLD 10 stacks then stands behind his team remaining untouched, meanwhile the MCH who knows how wrong that entire situation is hops the fence, runs up the stairs, takes out the PLD, grabs the medals, then WALKS back across the bridge untouched, both damage or healing wise, having noticed no one else on their team got the idea that they could do the same thing and push out of being stuck where they are. . . no, that team is NOT going to win. And they won't even know why.

^ True story, BTW.

[Zojha]

No. . . not it doesn't.

Logically, it has to go both ways - there's no way around that.

Premise one: Both teams are made of players from the queue.
Premise two: Players from the queue may end up on either team.
Premise three: Every player from the queue has a skill level.

From 3 and 1 follows that both teams are made of players with a skill level. Because of 2, the players and thus their skill levels may end up on either team. What that skill level actually is doesn't matter - both teams may end up with it. Provided, of course, the premises are true.

I could go on further, because the formal proof is not yet finished - It still needs conclusions on the likelihood of a given skill level on either team and the bias that's created from that fact that your own skill level is a known variable. But honestly? That's cumbersome to formalize and easy to understand intuitively. Have a meme instead: http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/elo-hell

[Arthur_Gwen]

Logically, it has to go both ways - there's no way around that.

Premise one: Both teams are made of players from the queue.
Premise two: Players from the queue may end up on either team.
Premise three: Every player from the queue has a skill level.

From 3 and 1 follows that both teams are made of players with a skill level. Because of 2, the players and thus their skill levels may end up on either team. What that skill level actually is doesn't matter - both teams may end up with it. Provided, of course, the premises are true.

I could go on further, because the formal proof is not yet finished

I like this clear form XD
Remind me the course I took last year
Symbols will be more clear but this easier to understand

Oh the thread...
No it's easy enough

[Februs]

Remind me the course I took last year

PHIL 1101, perhaps? Or maybe it's 101 in the States ... Introductory Philosophy, in any case. Not complicated stuff. Unfortunately, what they don't teach in those classes is that theory does not always translate to fact, especially in practical application scenarios. In theory, yes. this goes both ways, but in practice? Not necessarily. Straight logical reasoning does not account for blind luck, only probability. In theory, the everything shakes out equally on paper, but if you tell that to an extraordinarily unlucky person and they'd think you're barking mad. No logic, no matter how straightforward, can account for the unknowable.

[Ama_Hamada]

No. . . not it doesn't.

When a team predominantly made of BRDs gets stuck fighting on/across a bridge, grouped up against SMNs, while a PLD, DRG, and MNK freely run in and out taking people down, and the enemy PLD 10 stacks then stands behind his team remaining untouched, meanwhile the MCH who knows how wrong that entire situation is hops the fence, runs up the stairs, takes out the PLD, grabs the medals, then WALKS back across the bridge untouched, both damage or healing wise, having noticed no one else on their team got the idea that they could do the same thing and push out of being stuck where they are. . . no, that team is NOT going to win. And they won't even know why.

^ True story, BTW.

and that mch was you I take it?