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    Tani Shirai
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lollie View Post
    Not a ninja main but how would you all feel if it applied a stealth/suiton type buff regardless of engagement for say 5 seconds to facilitate sneak/trick attacks and up the recasts a bit to say 90-120s? As opposed to the suggested landing position selection around target.

    Slight dps buff to balance the execution difficulty, wouldn't completely remove the need for suiton as it would be to long a timer to use on every sa/ta. Just something I thought about messing around with the job in dungeons.
    Even in soloing, taking a few seconds less to Sneak/Trick Attack without using Suiton isn't going to be worth losing that much usage of the ability. In hits like a truck, even on its own. And in group content, the bonus damage quickly adds up to at least another vehicular load of damage.

    Now, I'll agree that in general Hide should not slow the Rogue/Ninja by nearly as much as it does, that dungeon mobs shouldn't auto-detect until the end of their domains, and maybe Rogue/Ninja should have a reduced acquisition range even when not stealthed, or, as suggested, a (pseudo-)stealth on Shukuchi, but no content-running NIN is going to be okay with 67% to 50% the possible frequency of TA applications.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lollie View Post
    I think you miss understood what I mean. I was referring to an increase in Shukuchi recast not st/ta, and not the removal of suiton as a trigger for being able to use them. Basically it would free up every other sa/ta applies inherent mudra usage cost every other usage. so Shukuchi would go to 90-120 seconds ans sa/ta would remain at the 60 it is now.
    Ahh, I see, I assumed the wrong antecedent. My apologies. That makes more much more sense to me now.

    That said, I feel like the Shukuchi cooldown is rather long even now (I'd say the same for Elusive Jump, or Spineshatter before its CD was drastically reduced, etc. ...though Shoulder Rush and Aetherial Manipulation have only ever been a beautifully short 30s CD across ARR+). I'd hate to have its mobility provided be diminished just to make it easier to forgo a potency loss in a given mudra, skip a couple oGCD steps, or couple movement with utility. (Heck, you'd have to be sure to be using it only for the way back into melee range, never out, as not to waste the TA/ST availability.)
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    Last edited by Shurrikhan; 03-02-2017 at 10:40 AM.