A little suggestion Regarding the Wintrading situation.

[Araxes]

I don't think it'll work.
If people will lose the same amount in legit match (and wintraders always lose legit matches) and by withdrawing, they'll prefer withdrawing to being humilated/spotted by a legit team.

Yeah but they will still loose rating wich makes it more Harder for them to cheat theyr Way up.

[Stormfur]

I support this!

[Llus]

I don't think it'll work.
If people will lose the same amount in legit match (and wintraders always lose legit matches) and by withdrawing, they'll prefer withdrawing to being humilated/spotted by a legit team.

Easy to fix this too. Instead of it counting as a loss in your current tier (-5/-10/-15/-20) making a withdraw always -25, that would really make win trading almost useless

[BloodRubyXII]

I don't think it'll work.
If people will lose the same amount in legit match (and wintraders always lose legit matches) and by withdrawing, they'll prefer withdrawing to being humilated/spotted by a legit team.

But the point is they'll still lose their rating. Which means the system works.

@Araxes yeah surprisingly got some queues tonight, 3 of them, then a decline and nothing else (2:30AM~ ST). Got a little taste of 4v4 now I want MOAR.

[Enlial]

(and wintraders always lose legit matches)

What makes you think that only bad players cheat? Think of the greatest professional athletes of the past 30 years. Of the names that come to mind, I'd be shocked if only a few have admitted to using steroids or similar at some point in their careers. The desire to "win" can make people resort to all sorts of things.

On the other hand, the community in general does seem to look down on cheating and I doubt there's like a wintrading cabal of players on every leader board. I'm sure it does happen, though (and I'm almost certain I've seen it). Keep in mind that people are probably using alts and bought/abandoned accounts to boost each other. That can be a very hard thing to detect, and even harder to prove.

I think a good solution would be SE showing us detailed match history. Probably not gonna happen though... "witch hunting" and stuff

edit: I guess you were talking about 4v4? I dont know how SE could possibly fix that unless they start actively policing it. I'm pretty sure they knew it would be a disaster too xD thats why they didn't initially plan on offering rewards for it

[Araxes]

(and wintraders always lose legit matches)

Its not always totaly bad people Wintrading. There are also Good players wich are just Lazy as fuck and prefer to dishonor themselves than claiming the Ranks legit.

[Shurrikhan]

Not the worst idea, and arguably better than what we have now. The issue with this is that it now becomes too risky to afk when the queue for some roles is over 30 minutes at times.

That would scare me, for sure, as a "fair" (prepared to lose most of the time even when trying my best not to) player. That said, I would love a general solution to having to take a piss an hour into a queue without fear of wasting the whole thing.

Like, perhaps a "skip" or "abstain" mode? You hold your position in queue, but temporarily those behind skip ahead whenever the queue would pop for you, until you turn the mode back off.

Granted, that would make it easier for win-traders to match to each other during low-pop hours, but in high-pop? I think it would be worth the QoL change even if it means we let a few more through the cracks than otherwise.

[SuperZay]

Yeah but they will still loose rating wich makes it more Harder for them to cheat theyr Way up.

What stops them from making two teams and allow one throwaway team to always que first to check if someone else ques? Even if they withdraw they'll not lose points because they are rated 0.

[Llus]

What stops them from making two teams and allow one throwaway team to always que first to check if someone else ques? Even if they withdraw they'll not lose points because they are rated 0.

Because at some point your throwaway team will need to rank up to stay in the same queue. The point is to make it as difficult as possible to use win trading to advance. This won't solve the problem with LP, only solo Q where healers would pair up and win trade. It still doesn't address the other problems with cheating in feast, but it would be a start. I doubt SE cares though; so don't hold your breath.

[Araxes]

Because at some point your throwaway team will need to rank up to stay in the same queue. The point is to make it as difficult as possible to use win trading to advance. This won't solve the problem with LP, only solo Q where healers would pair up and win trade. It still doesn't address the other problems with cheating in feast, but it would be a start. I doubt SE cares though; so don't hold your breath.

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