Stop Giving the "Need" Command for Drop Gear in Dungeons to Higher Geared Players!

[LuckiGoLucki]

Every player has every right to roll Need on everything they can. It doesn't matter what YOU prioritize. I'm still working on the umbrite phase of my relic I NEED all the turn in gear I can get so I can get those moonstones for crystal sand. Not to mention sending out my squadron. If someone asks politely for any gear I gladly pass but tough luck otherwise. Blame rng for not being on your side, not the system that works perfectly.

[Amirya]

I'm fully aware of people who go for gear in dungeons for glamour, but shouldn't that be even more of a reason for them to have to use the Greed command? I mean, YOU don't really need that gear anymore anyway since your level is higher, so why should you still be entitled to take it away automatically when someone else in your party might need it, regardless whether they are playing the class for it in a dungeon or not?

That's easy enough to fix. I'll hold on to the lesser ilvl gear, then. Gear swap when I zone in.

Besides, why should you be entitled to take it automatically when I still need it for my seals? If you aren't on the job that can use it, then you don't need it.

[Masekase_Hurricane]

I dislike when people just plainly need on everything they can, automatically removes them from commendation list.

I don't need on items myself unless it's upgrade or glamour, if I want GC seals or gil, I greed for it.

Anima is an upgrade (need seals for upgrade items), Desynth needs levelling too, GC seals can also be used to purchase levelling gear too (potential upgrade).

[Nabiri]

Having been in that situation before a few times where I needed that upgrade, but the other, high ilevel NIN or MCH got the gear, I can say that really sucks.

But I honestly can't say I deserve the gear more than them. It's unfair to say my needs are greater than theirs.
So I shrug it off and run the dungeon again. I always take into account that it could be the one glamour piece that the person has been trying for forever.
Better luck next time.

I agree with those who say to ask if you want something. A lot of people will pass. Just don't expect them to, and don't be rude if they decline. They have as much right to it as you do. You all put in the effort to run the dungeon.

[loreleidiangelo]

Anima is an upgrade (need seals for upgrade items), Desynth needs levelling too, GC seals can also be used to purchase levelling gear too (potential upgrade).

And? You're still perfectly able to roll Need on those things; the person you quoted is just stating their opinion of you for doing so. They're not trying to argue that doing so is wrong, just that they like you less for it. It's a subjective viewpoint.

I personally also do not roll Need for items that are not an upgrade, but I don't sour grapes over people who do. I'd just rather give everyone a fair chance to use said items in the exact same way I would - GC seals, desynth, vendor gil - or possibly even get lucky and score an upgrade for an alt job.

[Rokke]

If you want seals so badly, why not try doing hunts or Fates for a change instead of simply taking gear away from people somebody else who might need it?

If you want gear so badly, why not try doing duties as that job instead of rolling greed against someone who else who might simply need it for one reason or another?

And glamour is just a poor excuse for claiming your need for the Need command.

Glamour keeps people queueing for duties. It is the only reason I run some old dungeons as a healer.

[Feidam]

It's Usability-based. If you can equip it on your class, you can Need, if not you can only Greed. You want gear for a class, go into the dungeon on that class.

Does it suck if someone in i270 Needs on random dungeon gear? Sometimes. But if you really want the gear, run the dungeon as the right class to get it, don't whine and complain.

Except I've been in groups with two dps of the same type and lost the piece to people who had maxed gear. I get the whole they need it for seals or glamour etc but need should really only be if it is an upgrade imo. However, usually, if you ask nicely at the start of the run most will accommodate you If they are not looking for gear upgrades as well. Doesn't always work but give it a try.

[Brill_]

If you want gear so badly, why not try doing duties as that job instead of rolling greed against someone who else who might simply need it for one reason or another?

If they need a gear for a certain job, that means said job is lower item level. Given the way the community is these days, that person would be kicked for low dps due to the low item level.

[Hasrat]

It's Usability-based. If you can equip it on your class, you can Need, if not you can only Greed. You want gear for a class, go into the dungeon on that class.

Just wanted to point out, this only mostly works. I recall while leveling DRG, there's that weird middle-ground gear that's for tanks and also DRG. It's pretty low class tank gear (imo), plus the tanks already have tank-only gear. But if you're running DRG, you do not get the option to Need on that particular set, despite it being generally pretty good for the class/job (at least I thought so, it made a nice alternative for "I want to live" gear, rather than focusing everything into dps).

But anyway, re: Needing for GC seals, wouldn't it be so much faster/easier to FATE grind for those? I mean, I don't know how much you can get out of higher end FATEs, or what the conversion rate is for higher gear sets. And I know FATE grinding is a bit mind numbing (although be honest, dungeons aren't often very exciting either). But seems like you could spend 20-30 minutes rolling FATEs, and get as much or more seals as you would from Needing gear. But I could be wrong I guess.
Desynth is still valid, I suppose.

[Valkyrie_Lenneth]

If they need a gear for a certain job, that means said job is lower item level. Given the way the community is these days, that person would be kicked for low dps due to the low item level.

If they knew how to play said job, its unlikely they would be kicked.