Got kicked from The Aetherochemical Research Facility by mentor

[Callinon]

Actually it was so great as very often new guys starts got kick by MENTORs since lv18 dungeon!! ^^;

I question how often that actually happens.

[Yeol]

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[jellopy]

ok i don't usually post, but i wanted to hear some opinions.

so i've been doing tank runs on my PLD for relic and i was doing lv 60 roulette and got ARF. within the first few pulls, i noticed things were dying really slow. like, i'd put rampart up when we start the mob and by the time we're done with that one, my rampart is back up again.

so i checked the battle log and this dragoon (he was a sprout), was spamming impulse drive. yes, IMPULSE DRIVE. so before the first boss, i pointed him out etc. no response. so i initiated a vote kick, which was rejected.

so, i said "k you guys don't want him to leave? i'll leave" then i left the dungeon lol.

seriously, i don't think anyone should be allowed to reach lv 60 and still be this bad.

[Lambdafish]

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I guess it depends how thick skinned you are. You are fully entitled to vote kick based on "differing playstyles" (because that is apparently the official definition of poor play). As for the no response, I don't know how difficult it is to type on PS4, but that may be a factor in the silence, I would have waited to see if he changed up his rotation after some pointers, but regardless nobody is going to fault you for your actions.

[Viki]

2 things.. with being kicked or kicking someone from ARF... its gotten worse over the years. this game does not teach people anything. u can literally get to 60 blm by spamming blizz 2 in fates. that being said... these same blizz 2 spammers are some extremely entitled group of players. 2ndly, the new meta in every encounter in this entire game INCLUDING every hunt mob, fate mob, quest mob, Extreme, 4man, 8man, 24man fight is do a ridiculous 20sec countdown for anything and everything then without paying attention to ready check, pull and zerg the boss, monster down and only do mechanics if its an absolute 1shot mechanic. and people still fail those. as long as that stands... I cant say it will change.

[Kuroneko_Jutah]

Speaking as someone who's leveled all jobs to 50, and all but two to 60, just let people play at their own pace. If you want to speedrun a dungeon or an instance for farming purposes, you have a brand spanking new cross-server party finder with which to find like-minded players. If you want to run a roulette or another instance via the duty finder, by checking that box and joining the queue, you're agreeing to party with 3/7 other strangers of varying levels of skill and kit. Getting irritated and impatient because you have another player in your party who wants to play it safe (because wipes totally aren't a waste of time) is a dick move. If the tank wants to take it nice and easy on his first run through a dungeon, let him. Enjoy your bonus and second chance points. Contrary to popular belief, not everyone can pick up and play this game proficiently, consistently. Expecting tanks to mass pull their first 60 dungeon when HW trash mobs hit like trucks is bullshit.

[Adire]

2 things.. with being kicked or kicking someone from ARF... its gotten worse over the years. this game does not teach people anything.

That's why people should take things into their own hands and look up guides and such, and practice outside of dungeons if they're a dps. If people don't have the desire to look up guides on how to not be complete dead weight in a dungeon, these same people likely wouldn't do much better even if the game taught them.

Normally I try to carry bad players, but I'm almost at the point where I'm ready to just afk auto attack and enjoy some Youtube in the meantime whenever one or both of the dps are terrible, the healer is standing around doing nothing 90% of the time, or the tank is pulling every pack slowly even when small ones are clearly too easy for them.

[Carcer]

I go in, i tank, i leave. if ppl are shit someone else can vote kick them, everyone of you had no clue about the game at some point. The only times i'll consider vote kicking is ppl being asshats/extended offline/afk. However if someone says "sorry if i do bad" "i'm new" it's code for "i dont really know what to expect can i have some pointers", people think there going to get there head chewed off for asking these days.

[Adire]

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Whether it's because I have previous experience with MMOs or I'm a perfectionist or maybe just because I just cannot stand being carried, I actually had a reasonable idea of how to contribute to the group by the time I went in to Sashtasha for the first time.

I also leveled all of my jobs/classes almost entirely off dungeons, so picking up a new skill every few levels wasn't overwhelming since I immediately put them into practice and worked them into my rotations.

So this idea that everyone was dead weight at some point is false. No one should be dead weight by level 60, and dare I say even by level 30 or so. Anyone who is doing an abysmal job of contributing to the group at 60 and comes prepared with nothing more than excuses for bad play has every reason to deserve the disapproval they get. If they don't like it, they should take steps to solve the problem.

Understanding mechanics is a different issue. Everyone should look at guides if there are any for the content they're about to do so they don't needlessly hold the group up more than necessary, but I don't expect someone new or even in for their 5th time to have a perfect understanding of every mechanic in every bit of content and how to react since there's no way to practice the mechanics outside said content.

But people who are completely lost with rotations using skills they had 30 levels ago or seemingly don't even care going into dungeons and such and expecting everyone to accept it....no excuse for it. Just as for healers there's no true excuse for pseudo-afking and not using at least some downtime to throw out some dps, or tanks who do tiny pulls despite outgearing a dungeon by a huge margin and continuing to do tiny pulls even with an AoE heavy group and when they're obviously having an easy time of things.

If these kinds of things are acceptable, I don't even know why I bother playing at my best in dungeons any more. I've given plenty of free rides, maybe it's time I get some free rides myself.

[DPZ2]

If these kinds of things are acceptable, I don't even know why I bother playing at my best in dungeons any more. I've given plenty of free rides, maybe it's time I get some free rides myself.

People who have played other MMOs come into this one with the expectation that the whole player base should immediately be as experienced as they are. It's an easy assumption to make, and almost entirely useless. Some things that make that assumption less than useful include:

Lack of experience with another MMO
Lack of information about all those wonderful sites that tell you "how to get good" (in my experience, none of them do that well)
Lack of Youtube videos geared to inexperienced players.
Dearth of forum posts that discuss class/job rotations intelligently at anything under max level
Lack of a manual explaining what advantage that brand new spell you just received gives you, and how to work it into your rotation.

Add to that the wonderful level 60 changes to your rotation [Black mages, you have my sympathies] and you have players who Adire, for one, apparently can't stand to be around.

I wonder just how many "free rides" commentators had back in the days when all MMOs were new. It took me, for example, six months to learn there was an Auction House in WoW back in BC. Of course, back then there wasn't a Youtube, there weren't game databases, everything you learned was as God and the Developers (same thing, mostly) intended -- by making mistakes, and sometimes being taught by veteran players who didn't believe that they were giving a "free ride" by taking the time to work with inexperienced players.

Some advice, Adire. Get some "free rides" from others in a dungeon instance now and then. It may surprise you to learn that story dungeons might take a little longer, but they're not entirely hopeless.

And, of course, if you only mean 'hard mode' or 'expert' dungeon queues ... none of this really applies to the OP, does it? ARF is a story mode instance.