Should healers now be allowed to play how they choose to play?

[Taika]

Not a fair comparison... They have a lot more oGCDs than healers do.

Exactly, just saying it's not true healers are using more actions, like she claimed they are.

[Feyona]

Ive concluded that the community as a whole for whatever reason are often pointing their fingers at other people for how they play, in a kind of blaming game. Some like to feel better players than others or some dont have enough confidence in others ability to get through the instance and some are just impatient. I would rather just look at yourselves do acheive the best that you can and try not to judge others so much and if you think someone shuold be better then help them. Some dont like being forced but Im sure players are trying to be better in their own way. If someone says 'wow your awesome ' tell them how to acheive it. Cos the more people you help the more people will get to learn the game better. This game is all about 'carrying' in a way, because we all got to learn. Exclusion from duties, is not the optimal solution, be a better person too. If healer dont dps see it as a challenge like ido to heal when tanks no holding aggro I like being challenged, not excluded

[technole]

Part of it is encounter design in the game currently. content that isn't Savage or Extreme can involve standing around and not casting a single heal for several GCDs, so you get the heal only people just looking lazy if they don't contribute to DPS in the mean time. Meanwhile in the dungeon you have two DPS that are not performing to acceptable level today, being out damaged by the tank, so everything just drags on and complaining may erupt. That is a reality today.

If they actually raise the healing bar a bit more on casual content (and arguably even in extremes nowadays), it probably would not be such a prevalent topic. Last Sting bees in Foreverreap, and trials like Odin in the day were things to make sure a tank/healer combo isn't slacking off.

[Feyona]

Part of it is encounter design in the game currently. content that isn't Savage or Extreme can involve standing around and not casting a single heal for several GCDs, so you get the heal only people just looking lazy if they don't contribute to DPS in the mean time. Meanwhile in the dungeon you have two DPS that are not performing to acceptable level today, being out damaged by the tank, so everything just drags on and complaining may erupt. That is a reality today.

If they actually raise the healing bar a bit more on casual content (and arguably even in extremes nowadays), it probably would not be such a prevalent topic. Last Sting bees in Foreverreap, and trials like Odin in the day were things to make sure a tank/healer combo isn't slacking off.

Yes I agree people want something to do I dont run sastasha any more the boredom is the challenge there, even when dpsing its boring. So its a content problem really. Just to ad though , Ill go through instances to help people and accept the boredom too, Think It takes me 5 mins on wmg to solo. At least it can be unsynched

[Urthdigger]

I'll always look down on players who are choosing to stand around doing nothing when they could be doing SOMETHING useful. And no, casting Cure II on a tank missing only 1 HP doesn't count as useful.

[amihavingfunyet]

As far as main/off healing goes, I heard it's best to just throw that whole thing out the window and have each healer heal when needed. Having one healer mostly do damage while the other mostly heals is less overall damage than having both healers dps and use their heals as necessary. Of course, I don't main a healer so I can't tell you which way is better.

Can confirm that throwing main- and off-heal mentality out of the window will result in the best DPS. Ideally having 100% uptime of both healer's DoTs, and using each healer's CDs the best way.
But it also is comes with requiring a lot more effort and coordination and you won't be able to just do it with any healer you randomly get matched with.

[MicahZerrshia]

I know its been said before but it should be restated, that if the OP took as much time and effort learning her job as she does complaining about players complaining about her performance, she could have improved her gameplay ten fold.

And having just come out of an instance where the other brd did squat half the time and even after being given friendly tips and encouragement used no venomous bite, windbite, flaming arrow, no aoes, no dmg boosters, no sidewinder....and really nothing at all, standing idle most the dungeon and then crying and complaining about elitism when asked what was going on, this mentality is not just with healers.

We have a whole influx of new players with this I don't wanna hit more than 3 buttons mentality and it really brings the game as a whole down. The problem is not finger pointing, which btw is usually the...I shall say, less skilled of the players, doing so. It's the lack of effort people want to put in. This is an mmo, its not just you and if you are the minority you need to suck it up or go play a single player game where you can hit the same 3 buttons til the cows come home and no one will care.

[Feyona]

And having just come out of an instance where the other brd did squat half the time and even after being given friendly tips and encouragement used no venomous bite, windbite, flaming arrow, no aoes, no dmg boosters, no sidewinder....and really nothing at all, standing idle most the dungeon and then crying and complaining about elitism when asked what was going on, this mentality is not just with healers.

well could go on to say what I think of people who think that they own the game, the playtyle and the people on it, by enforcing their rules expectations and ideals on them but , I wont because people can clearly see what sort of people they are for themselve. Ive already made my point, and you are proving it. It is people that are not tolerant of others that shouldnt play social games not the other way round. There is no need t o say more except cant say Ive said anyone complains about my performance, so dont see that point. Think you may just had a rage in a dungeon and wanted to take it out on someone.

[MicahZerrshia]

well could go on to say what I think of people who think that they own the game, the plastyle and the people on it, by enforcing their rules expectations and ideals on them but , I wont because people can clearly see what sort of people they are for themselve. Ive already made my point, and you are proving it. It is people that are not tolerant of others that shouldnt play social games not the other way round. There is no need t o say more

Isn't that what you're doing?

This is clearly the pot calling the kettle black.

[Feyona]

Isn't that what you're doing?

This is clearly the pot calling the kettle black.

No Imasking for eople to be left alone,to play how they wish. If you read any of my posts, its about people being able to choose . If you cant see the difference beween coercion to do exactly what you want, and defending others preferences, or being left to enjoy thenselves and supporting them then you dont really understand much what Ive said at all anyway. No one is telling you how to play, or what you should play like. Well some people have the understanding to tell the difference. Guess some dont , but go enjoy the game raging about others playing.