Questions you don't think SE team will answer.

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No, my argument does not make little sense. I never said that tanks and healers don't need new jobs. I said they don't need new jobs to keep enjoying their role. This stands for all classes. I am just sick of people talking like they need incentive to keep playing their role. I perfectly support tanks and healers getting a new role, but when I read posts saying stuff like "we should have been given a new role in the first place" or "we deserved a new role" it reeks entitlement and greatly irritates me.

Most people like to pretend they didn't flat out quit Astrologian except the small few, which is also another source of irritation. I can genuinely remember the early days of Heavensward, being nearly the first year entirely, where people would flat out exclude or blame Astrologians for everything. I felt pretty bad for anyone who genuinely liked the class who had to deal with a mob-mentality, even if it was true AST was on the weaker side. I'm not saying "We should never have a healer again after that," I'm saying "Let's wait for them to figure out our current three healers and three tanks before we add another one." The fact of the matter is, realistically, if we got a new healer and tank, what is stopping it from being like 3.0? Dark Knight or warrior is rotated out, AST or SCH is rotated out, repeat the process?

Would people be ultimately satisfied? Now that they have something "new" to try out? What about the people who originally played those classes? How do you think Paladins feel constantly being criticized and all the memes? I constantly see posts from new players about it, or people asking why Monk is bad or "why do you play Monk" or even people just complaining how their class, as in Monk, offers nothing. The problem is that people post these things, wanting these "new" classes, not realizing that it will inevitably screw over someone of an old class. Sure it's not that person's fault, it's SE's fault, but the point stands. Not everyone benefits from having new jobs.

Also "balanced jobs are something we should just get"? Honestly, yes. Problem is? It's not that easy. FFXIV already has gotten more new classes in TWO expansions than most get in over 4 or 5. I honestly think they spoiled the players too heavily giving a class for each role in Heavensward, since now everyone seemed to expect it again and keeps touting how they "deserve" it, or "should've gotten one." It also doesn't help that Dark Knight was just Paladin with a glorified consecration, a leaping slash, and a very good riot blade combo, while Astrologian is just a glorified WHM who draws cards.

Regardless, we're derailing the topic. I'll drop it here, since I wasn't planning to argue with anyone. Too bad there's no private messaging.

tl;dr
I want new Tanks and Healers, just not right now. (I would LOVE to see a new healer and Tank in 5.0, honestly. Even if it had no DPS.)
Don't forget that DRK shoved PLD aside and that MCH mostly shoved MNK/BLM/SMN aside. Don't forget AST (very late in the patch cycle) mostly replaced WHM.

People who enjoy these classes don't want to feel second-class either. Even if you play them and don't, there are plenty who do. Just like there are people who wanted a healer/tank really badly these expansion, and there are people who didn't.

Edit: I also see people comparing bard and machinist to black mage and summoner. Just because they cast bars doesn't mean people who played casting classes should have or would have liked them.
Edit 2: Just realized there's a thread dedicated to this now, if anyone wants to reply you can do so there, I'll get back to you if necessary.