Mentor Players Kicking newer players from Duty Ques for low DPS

[Slirith]

Imo if you are kicked, it should say why/who voted "yes".

[Silver-Strider]

It's a dungeon, not an end game raid where every ounce of DPS is required to clear.
Who cares if they don't have B4B, Invigorate, etc. so long as you get thru, it's not a problem so I fail to see the need to kick anyone. If they were being rude or something I could completely understand a kick but seriously, I've seen people in dungeons like Xephatol with i150 gear and other than the run taking maybe 10 minutes longer than normal, we cleared it just fine so really, there's no excuse to kick someone from a dungeon just because people are being elitist jerks

[ElHeggunte]

Imo if you are kicked, it should say why/who voted "yes".

No.

It's a dungeon, not an end game raid where every ounce of DPS is required to clear.
Who cares if they don't have B4B, Invigorate, etc. so long as you get thru, it's not a problem so I fail to see the need to kick anyone. If they were being rude or something I could completely understand a kick but seriously, I've seen people in dungeons like Xephatol with i150 gear and other than the run taking maybe 10 minutes longer than normal, we cleared it just fine so really, there's no excuse to kick someone from a dungeon just because people are being elitist jerks

Yes, it's so elitist to expect someone to wear appropriate gear and to have a basic understanding of their class and role when they're doing level-capped content. It's not like this is a multiplayer game or anything where your performance has a very real impact on the gameplay of the other players grouped with you, who totally aren't real people. Nah, it's just a bunch of incredibly life-like NPCs so who cares if you don't play optimally.

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After a hard day of gathering popotoes you get ready to return to town and relax, but a fellow Paladin from your Order shows up with a mission for you. You gladly accept and search your bags for the sword and shield you were using two years ago from your days as a Squire, but it would take too much effort to go find the Temple Armor assigned to you too so you decide the orange DoH vest you're wearing is good enough. You do like the color orange, after all. If you want to wear a comfortable DoH vest on your Paladin instead of cumbersome armor, those pesky NPCs that were also assigned to your mission should just shut up and deal with the fact that you might die in two hits. If the guard standing outside of the boss's lair thought it would be a problem he would have stopped you from going in, right. That's why healers are programmed to cast Raise on you anyway, just in case something bad happens. You enter the lair of the boss and ignoring the concerned glances and exclamations of the NPCs, you charge in.

A few minutes into the thrilling battle where even the boss's auto-attacks bring you to the brink of death, you notice the Summoner is standing next to you trying to get your attention because an extra monster that you saw enter the room earlier but didn't really care about (because he looks gross) is trying to eat her. But you think she can fuck right off and use Titan-egi because the text message you're trying to send about the Netflix series you're attempting to watch over your shoulder is far more important and you can't type that and save her at the same time. Plus, you're already using Savage Blade every once in a while, what more do they want from you? To use Flash? Nonsense, your character may be a Paladin in name, but they're also actually a Squib and can't use a lick of MP even if they wanted to. And they don't because blinding your enemy is dirty fighting, and Paladins are too righteous for that. Even the Squib ones.

You suddenly decided in the middle of the encounter that you're bored of tanking since the boss wont stop flirting with the White Mage and pay attention to you so you would like to DPS instead. But it's okay. That Dragoon looks like he could take a hit pretty well so he can tank instead. After all, you notice he has more HP than you do and his edge-lord armor looks quite a bit more durable than the orange crafter's vest you're wearing. You like orange. That's why you're wearing the vest. And it's really comfortable. Much more comfortable than gaudy plate. You're convinced that if he just poked the boss a little harder it would leave the White Mage alone. I mean, you would be pretty pissed if some jumpy guy kept poking you in the leg with a sharp stick. A giant monster should feel the same. Oh good, the boss is going for the Dragoon now. Too bad he didn't lose interest in the White Mage until he ragdolled her, but a least you can DPS without--never mind, spamming Fast Blade is a lot more boring than you imagined it would be so you decide to just auto-attack and go AFK to get a snack. Besides, those NPCs who have the nerve to tell you how to do your job are being rude. Whose idea was it to give NPCs detailed, life-like commentary anyway? You hope someone got fired for that.

You come back 20 minutes later and watch the NPCs finally defeat the boss with seconds to spare. Bodies litter the floor and the only survivor is the Black Mage who you decide must have been wearing VIT accessories because he also has more HP than you even with raise sickness. Damn. You probably should have asked him to tank at the start so you wouldn't have had to rewind your show twice, but you decide against making the suggestion. However, you're confident that if you type GG the NPCs might not even notice you were gone even though at one point you had forgotten you were even online. In fairness, it's easy to lose track of time on Youtube.

The group may have only succeeded because everyone else was properly geared and had to play well enough to make up for your crippling incompetence, but it doesn't matter because you cleared, right? And it's not like anyone cares about an NPC's opinion anyway. With your mission complete you decide to go back to farming and wonder if you would have an easier time if you went to go get your DoL vest, but then you remember it's green and not orange. You do love the color orange.

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Every time I see someone defending behavior like the OP's I always imagine they're like that orange-vested RP Paladin because they clearly think FFXIV is a single-player game. This community's undying, vacuous need to outright encourage mediocrity needs to stop already.

[Avenger]

Hahaha. It is kind of sad but also funny that I have noticed the same thing: mentor icons in DF usually seem to mean that a player will be less helpful and patient, not more so!

[RLofOBFL]

It s not hard to learn a rotation & an opener. I actually JUST taught one of my friends how to play MNK properly since he wanted to get better & he is doing 700 more DPS than he used to. I do not kick bad dps, but it probably should happen, so it would teach players they can't just play DPS to slack off because "no responsibly". My friend isn't doing raid level DPS but he's doing enough damage as I think people at 60 should be expected to do.

I remember I had a A5 NORMAL run where the DPS couldn't get passed faust. We tried 5 times & we wiped every single time to the very leniant DPS check that I didn't even know existed prior with both healers DPSing when able. I said one time they should probably research their classes because we can't beat the DPS check...you know how they responded? Kicked. What thought process is that? "This healer is trying to give me advice let's kick them so we can pass the DPS check". That was over 6 months ago & I'm still salty....

[RhaegarFFXIFenrir]

I'm curious....Checking the OP current gear. They have a lot of HQ i250 crafted gear, although they're still rocking those i150 vit accessories. After 2 weeks, their LNC is still lvl 10. They have one crafter unlocked and levelled to 13. So tell me, where did you get the 10+ million gil to buy all that gear on your left side? I see nothing in your profile that suggests you can earn it on your own, and nothing in your attitude that would make me think someone would be willing to loan/give you that kind of gil out of the kindness of their hearts.

Also...OP is claiming that the mentor kicked them. I'd like to see proof. When being on the receiving end of vote dismiss, the client doesn't inform you who initiated the vote dismiss. It is entirely possible that the vote dismiss was initiated by one of the other players, with the mentor being the deciding vote. Regardless, it takes 3 people to boot a person from party, not 1.

[Ama_Hamada]

I'm curious....Checking the OP current gear. They have a lot of HQ i250 crafted gear, although they're still rocking those i150 vit accessories. After 2 weeks, their LNC is still lvl 10. They have one crafter unlocked and levelled to 13. So tell me, where did you get the 10+ million gil to buy all that gear on your left side? I see nothing in your profile that suggests you can earn it on your own, and nothing in your attitude that would make me think someone would be willing to loan/give you that kind of gil out of the kindness of their hearts.

Also...OP is claiming that the mentor kicked them. I'd like to see proof. When being on the receiving end of vote dismiss, the client doesn't inform you who initiated the vote dismiss. It is entirely possible that the vote dismiss was initiated by one of the other players, with the mentor being the deciding vote. Regardless, it takes 3 people to boot a person from party, not 1.

2, person doing the vote, and one person agreeing to it, does not take all 3

[LunarEmerald]

Imo if you are kicked, it should say why/who voted "yes".

This could lead to harassment.

[Faliandra]

what bothers me the most is that theres plenty of good-willed players that refuse initiated vote kicks by me when someone is OBVIOUSLY slacking.

Like, sure, ENCOURAGE their lazy play style, why dont you??

It's not like i instantly rage at people, but one example I can name that just happened to me in Dzemael the other day was an AST who didnt play a single card in 10 minutes, and you ask them nicely why they dont
and the reply is something along the lines of "I know, but I wanna play how I want, the cards arent *needed* here anyway", then they deserve the kick.

And if anything ticks me off more than this lazy attitude,it's the attitude of players who refuse the votekick because it means they basically support that person's laziness.
And I believe that the only cure for this is that this player will hopefully get kicked a lot more in the future...so either he will put more effort in playing his class properly or just cry and quit the game.

[Ama_Hamada]

I'm curious....Checking the OP current gear. They have a lot of HQ i250 crafted gear, although they're still rocking those i150 vit accessories. After 2 weeks, their LNC is still lvl 10. They have one crafter unlocked and levelled to 13. So tell me, where did you get the 10+ million gil to buy all that gear on your left side? I see nothing in your profile that suggests you can earn it on your own, and nothing in your attitude that would make me think someone would be willing to loan/give you that kind of gil out of the kindness of their hearts.

Also...OP is claiming that the mentor kicked them. I'd like to see proof. When being on the receiving end of vote dismiss, the client doesn't inform you who initiated the vote dismiss. It is entirely possible that the vote dismiss was initiated by one of the other players, with the mentor being the deciding vote. Regardless, it takes 3 people to boot a person from party, not 1.

You clearly no nothing about crafting. A lot of those materials are bought by lore. Now the gathering materials are cheaper now, and may even more so if their server has bots. Can I move to your server to get 10 million easy? because on mine they cost like 100k ish to make to sell for 400k-700k per equip, depending what it is. Also the last Deep update made weapons cheap as dirt crashing the BCIII market. In other words, it does not cost much to have something made, esp when you collect the materials and farm the lore. Also because of PvP event, lore materials tanked, maybe your price quotes is from day 1 of 3.4? might wanna double check yer prices there.

I would hold your tongue and save the assumes in the future. How someone argues gear is none of your business. I also had to see my friend flamed for once for using 250 crafted when her name was on most of the gear.

what bothers me the most is that theres plenty of good-willed players that refuse initiated vote kicks by me when someone is OBVIOUSLY slacking.

Like, sure, ENCOURAGE their lazy play style, why dont you??

It's not like i instantly rage at people, but one example I can name that just happened to me in Dzemael the other day was an AST who didnt play a single card in 10 minutes, and you ask them nicely why they dont
and the reply is something along the lines of "I know, but I wanna play how I want, the cards arent *needed* here anyway", then they deserve the kick.

You should learn more about AST then, since if we are talking about a DF where you can be 46 in, that is the first place an AST can manage cards properly, in other words this is SE's shortcoming and the AST might not know better they have all the tools to use to buff people now. The reason is redraw, without that, it is hard to give AoE buffs, what is the point of AoEing ewer because the game makes you without redaw?

It took me a long time to learn AST and how to give effective buffs, in fact I had to be couched by a friend. It is not easy to pick up how to make it effective.

If they happen to be 44 there, or just hit 45 there, meaning no redraw since it is quested, then the person you are trying to kick is correct. It is hard for a new AST to focus on that while it does not do much because the lacking of redraw and putting too much on RNG to have something good. What you end up having is, if you get a card you can burn for aoe buff you do that, when if you get anything but balance you have to click it off since without redraw you are only having 2 chances, not 4 (if you spread), making hold(spread ability) weak without redraw. it is very hard to buff before having redraw.