Should healers now be allowed to play how they choose to play?

[Taika]

and when i play my healer, i will only do dmg when i see comfortable
until the day dev force us to do so

"And when I play my Machinist, I will not use my MP turret until a direct quote from the developers saying I'm forced to do so." You do realise how ridiculous that argument is? Basically, you're saying you're refusing to be useful to your group unless you're forced to do so. What a great team player attitude!

[Feyona]

"And when I play my Machinist, I will not use my MP turret until a direct quote from the developers saying I'm forced to do so." You do realise how ridiculous that argument is? Basically, you're saying you're refusing to be useful to your group unless you're forced to do so. What a great team player attitude!

I could be wrong but It does seem to me that misutoraru is not english and therefore, her wording may not come across precisely. but from what Ive seen of her posts she has had one of the nicest attitudes here and has tried to see both sides. To add to this she originally posted that she thought the attitude here was toxic towards people, and that theres no need to be , and she isnt

[Misutoraru]

I could be wrong but It does seem to me that misutoraru is not english and therefore, her wording may not come across precisely. but from what Ive seen of her posts she has had one of the nicest attitudes here and has tried to see both sides. To add to this she originally posted that she thought the attitude here was toxic towards people, and that theres no need to be , and she isnt

is that really that clear english is not my first language?
dxmn I have been living here for 3 years now and still XD
ya i m from oriental asia

I encourage healer to do dmg when they feel comfortable, I will fall asleep if I have too much free time in dung
but it is the mentality that force someone do it make me feel sick about it
may be it is cultural difference, but I m originate from JP data center, only move to EU data center when I relocate and live in EU
in JP server it is either you do it or not, no one will force you to do dmg if you dont feel comfortable about it
the issue is ya may be a healer not doing dmg is just a mediocre like ppl say, but it could be the healer not comfortable with dung mechanic or the party is completely strangers and the healer have no confidence on other players, e.g. the vault last boss, i usually would spend some time observing my party before i decide should i cleric stance dance or not, in some case when the tank is green and popping CD at wrong time, i would rather prefer conserve my MP for emergency
I am not against ppl encourage healer to do dmg whenever they feel they can do it, but I am not happy when ppl kicking a healer in DF for sole reason
same go for the MCH example, a MCH/BRD do not regen MP with bishop turret or MP song when it is needed, all could say he/she is mediocre, but it should not be the reason to be kick
just ask nicely, even DF give you 3 total strangers, it is an MMO, communication and ask
like I bump into some tanks they will ask if I mind they doing big pull when I join my AST, sometime it work sometime it doesnt
same go for asking Healer to do dmg, if anyone feel healer can do some extra dmg when he/she is free, simple ask nicely
but it should never be a reason to kick someone for that

btw I would rather prefer a dung with intense healing than pop some regen and do dmg

[Feyona]

is that really that clear english is not my first language?
dxmn I have been living here for 3 years now and still XD
but it is the mentality that force someone do it make me feel sick about it


the issue is ya may be a healer not doing dmg is just a mediocre like ppl say, but it could be the healer not comfortable with dung mechanic or the party is completely strangers and the healer have no confidence on other players, e.g. the vault

No no your english is very good, Its just some of the nuences and words thats all like if you say 'forced' some people may take that literally but I see what you mean if the game changes. I agree with everything you say

[Misutoraru]

"And when I play my Machinist, I will not use my MP turret until a direct quote from the developers saying I'm forced to do so." You do realise how ridiculous that argument is? Basically, you're saying you're refusing to be useful to your group unless you're forced to do so. What a great team player attitude!

being useful and doing the job is two different thing
doing the job simply mean meeting what you duty require
being useful is more than that
like other ppl mention, a healer do not do dmg when he/she is free is not the most efficient healer, but he/she is doing the duty of a healer would
same go for MCH or BRD, doing dmg is their duty, giving utility while doing dmg is being useful

I encourage ppl to do dmg when he/she feel comfortable, but I do not force them to do, and it should never be a sole reason to kick someone in DF

what i meant, until dev clear say heal have to do dmg in dung, i wont vote kick and healer for that reason, and i will always press NO when someone start a vote kick in DF for such reason

[Taika]

being useful and doing the job is two different thing
doing the job simply mean meeting what you duty require
being useful is more than that
like other ppl mention, a healer do not do dmg when he/she is free is not the most efficient healer, but he/she is doing the duty of a healer would
same go for MCH or BRD, doing dmg is their duty, giving utility while doing dmg is being useful

I encourage ppl to do dmg when he/she feel comfortable, but I do not force them to do, and it should never be a sole reason to kick someone in DF

I think each party member should do their best to be as useful for their party as possible, and from what I've read, that's the whole point of the pro healer DPS argument: flat out refusing to DPS as a healer, when you would be able to, means you're refusing to be helpful to your party. I have seen SCH go /follow on tank and do absolutely nothing, and WHMs and ASTs jumping around or just standing still while the rest of their party members are actually helping the group. And when you ask them to contribute instead of being afk they reply with "lol no I'm just here to heal". This is a case of being intentionally useless to your party and forcing everyone else to contribute much more than you do (= carry you). And I think it's definitely a good enough reason for a vote kick.

But, it's another case entirely if the healer is willing and trying to contribute, but needs time to get familiar with the content and/or their job. For example, if a healer is running a leveling dungeon for the first time and is overhealing just to be safe (since they don't know the incoming damage yet) and is only casting a couple of damage spells when everything is almost dead, that's perfectly fine to me. No one here is expecting super high healer DPS numbers or healers constantly pushing themselves above their own limits, all people are asking is that healers (too!) make an effort instead of choosing to be lazy and unhelpful by using the "it's not my icon colour" excuse.